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Ok I have no idea why people think dave is so great and the thing that really bugs me is that everybody thinks dave is like 10000X better than kirk. Ok so comparing the two i say kirk. Why? He is technical, plays different styles, writes a few riffs, writes epic solos, and uses diatonic, pentatonic, arpeggios, sweeps, and whammy bar type things. I've seen a great number of daves solos and personally like about 2 of them which are the end solo to wake up dead and my last words but other than that a lot of his stuff sounds pretty much the same and based off of a pentatonic scale he uses a lot. People rant on about how clean dave is and how messy kirk is. They're both messy these days but back in the 80s kirk was so clean with his solos and dave was still the same. And still people deny it. I can see if its your personal opinoin and you like his gritty style but from a technical standpoint i think kirk is better and more creative. I've even asked a professional about this (my guitar teacher with 20+ years of exp.) and she says kirk because dave is messy and his solos sound very similar. Yes dave writes better riffs than kirk and james but still his leads aren't god like. I like both but DAVE IS NOT GOD!!!!! Most people say dave just because. I have reasons they don't. And Dave is not the best lead in megadeth its chris poland, chris broderick, and marty freidman. grrrrrrr sorry people i just couldn't stand it any longer!!!
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dave will hurt me. as seen on youtube kirk is more of a sensitive and nice person......dave on the other hand.
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Comparing the two's guitar skills?

You might as well look at it realistically. Kirk is definitely better as a lead guitarist than Dave. But as a rhythm guitarist, it was all about James in that band. Kirk had very little influence on the riff writing in Metallica. However, all the lead guitarists 'Deth has ever had could shred circles around Kirk any day.

So yeah, if we're talking SOLELY about leads, then yeah, Dave isn't great. But Dave chose some excellent lead guitarists to back him up, and Dave has much more songwriting skill than Kirk, or has at least displayed more of it. I like some of James' riffs better than Dave's, but the lead guitar in Megadeth is better than in Metallica, especially when it's not Dave playing.
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Krik harmret cuz he can prey der gertur wit te wurr wurr pedar!!

R u bein sarcastic? he does over use it now though
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Kirk Hammet has played the same solo over and over again for 20+ years. Up the pentatonic scale... down the pentatonic scale.... lame pull of pattern while stomping on the wah pedal.... down the pentatonic scale again. And after watching that video of there's (the one that shows them on the 1986 tour with Ozzy Osbourne), i can say that Kirk was just as sloppy then as he is now. I honestly don't know what planet you're living on where Kirk Hammet is considered technically skilled. Dave, while certainly not as good a soloist as his co-guitarists have been is head and shoulders above Kirk Hammet in the technical skill department.
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dave will hurt me. as seen on youtube kirk is more of a sensitive and nice person......dave on the other hand.


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Comparing the two's guitar skills?

You might as well look at it realistically. Kirk is definitely better as a lead guitarist than Dave. But as a rhythm guitarist, it was all about James in that band. Kirk had very little influence on the riff writing in Metallica. However, all the lead guitarists 'Deth has ever had could shred circles around Kirk any day.

So yeah, if we're talking SOLELY about leads, then yeah, Dave isn't great. But Dave chose some excellent lead guitarists to back him up, and Dave has much more songwriting skill than Kirk, or has at least displayed more of it. I like some of James' riffs better than Dave's, but the lead guitar in Megadeth is better than in Metallica, especially when it's not Dave playing.

Yea i totally agree with every lead but dave in megadeth bein better than kirk.
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Kirk Hammet has played the same solo over and over again for 20+ years. Up the pentatonic scale... down the pentatonic scale.... lame pull of pattern while stomping on the wah pedal.... down the pentatonic scale again. And after watching that video of there's (the one that shows them on the 1986 tour with Ozzy Osbourne), i can say that Kirk was just as sloppy then as he is now. I honestly don't know what planet you're living on where Kirk Hammet is considered technically skilled. Dave, while certainly not as good a soloist as his co-guitarists have been is head and shoulders above Kirk Hammet in the technical skill department.

Listen to some of his damn songs like dyers eve thats not pentatonic, orion, master, disposable heroes, first part of fade to black i can go on and on with examples and people like steve vai use pentatonic, how bout randy rhodes, maybe satch, hmmmm or zakk wylde. And pentatonic is easy to use for just random shredding.
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Kirk Hammet has played the same solo over and over again for 20+ years. Up the pentatonic scale... down the pentatonic scale.... lame pull of pattern while stomping on the wah pedal.... down the pentatonic scale again. And after watching that video of there's (the one that shows them on the 1986 tour with Ozzy Osbourne), i can say that Kirk was just as sloppy then as he is now. I honestly don't know what planet you're living on where Kirk Hammet is considered technically skilled. Dave, while certainly not as good a soloist as his co-guitarists have been is head and shoulders above Kirk Hammet in the technical skill department.

I agree with this. I know some Metallica solos and some parts are just very similar to some of Kirk's other solos. I don't play much Megadeth either so I don't know enough to form any solid opinion.
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In comparison to other virtuosos, they are way behind.
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Comparing the two's guitar skills?

You might as well look at it realistically. Kirk is definitely better as a lead guitarist than Dave. But as a rhythm guitarist, it was all about James in that band. Kirk had very little influence on the riff writing in Metallica. However, all the lead guitarists 'Deth has ever had could shred circles around Kirk any day.

So yeah, if we're talking SOLELY about leads, then yeah, Dave isn't great. But Dave chose some excellent lead guitarists to back him up, and Dave has much more songwriting skill than Kirk, or has at least displayed more of it. I like some of James' riffs better than Dave's, but the lead guitar in Megadeth is better than in Metallica, especially when it's not Dave playing.


Yeah, there is no way in hell Dave wasn't looking for guitarists that were significantly better than Kirk...

Also, do you think that by Dave firing all of his members every time the wind changes, he is projecting his 'tallica feelings?

/reads too much into things
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nerr u guirz r all rong krik hamret is bettr cuz hes in metalicer and derr the berst hervy mertul barndn yurr!!!
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Also, being a kickass lead guitarist does not automatically mean you're the best musician ever. One thing 'Deth had over Metallica at all times was that their music was just much more fun to listen to. Yeah, I know, you ...And Justice For All fanboys are going to try to prove me wrong. But Met's thin production on that album makes it difficult for me to listen to it in one sitting, and yet, I can even put on Megadeth's newer albums and not be so offended.

And in my opinion, Megadeth had a much better "comeback" than Metallica. Mostly because Megadeth only had one bad album ("Risk"), as opposed to Metallica's three + 1 live + 1 covers. Either way, I still like both bands, and they both made a major contribution to metal. But when it comes down to it, I'd rather put on a Megadeth record. Even then, I don't listen to either that much anymore, so what does it even matter to me? Why did I even type all this out? Maybe just because I was bored...

Of course, this is all just my opinion. I don't expect anyone to agree, and if you don't, then whatever. I just can't tolerate fanboys.
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Kirk VS Dave?

Paul Gilbert wins
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Kirk VS Dave?

Paul Gilbert wins

wow comparing paul to kirk and dave is like comparing the smartest guy in the world to 2 retards. nice!
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Hey! shurt urp! krik r not retard! he r smarttard!
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Paul Masvidal and Fredrik Thordendal > Petrucci. More feeling and at least an equal amount of skill. And MUCH better riff-writing skills. Petrucci is great and all, but it didn't take much for me to get bored of his stuff after hearing Cynic, Meshuggah, Pain Of Salvation, etc...
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Paul Masvidal and Fredrik Thordendal > Petrucci. More feeling and at least an equal amount of skill. And MUCH better riff-writing skills. Petrucci is great and all, but it didn't take much for me to get bored of his stuff after hearing Cynic, Meshuggah, Pain Of Salvation, etc...

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Also, being a kickass lead guitarist does not automatically mean you're the best musician ever. One thing 'Deth had over Metallica at all times was that their music was just much more fun to listen to. Yeah, I know, you ...And Justice For All fanboys are going to try to prove me wrong. But Met's thin production on that album makes it difficult for me to listen to it in one sitting, and yet, I can even put on Megadeth's newer albums and not be so offended.

And in my opinion, Megadeth had a much better "comeback" than Metallica. Mostly because Megadeth only had one bad album ("Risk"), as opposed to Metallica's three + 1 live + 1 covers. Either way, I still like both bands, and they both made a major contribution to metal. But when it comes down to it, I'd rather put on a Megadeth record. Even then, I don't listen to either that much anymore, so what does it even matter to me? Why did I even type all this out? Maybe just because I was bored...

Of course, this is all just my opinion. I don't expect anyone to agree, and if you don't, then whatever. I just can't tolerate fanboys.

Im not saying kirk is god but kirk is def. better than dave. and comparing megadeth to metallica i'de say overall megadeth is more skilled especially with chris broderick bein in it. can't wait for thier new album.
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As much as I like some of Petrucci's stuff, he's not the be-all-end-all of guitarists.
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Kirk Hammet has played the same solo over and over again for 20+ years. Up the pentatonic scale... down the pentatonic scale.... lame pull of pattern while stomping on the wah pedal.... down the pentatonic scale again. And after watching that video of there's (the one that shows them on the 1986 tour with Ozzy Osbourne), i can say that Kirk was just as sloppy then as he is now. I honestly don't know what planet you're living on where Kirk Hammet is considered technically skilled. Dave, while certainly not as good a soloist as his co-guitarists have been is head and shoulders above Kirk Hammet in the technical skill department.


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Ok I have no idea why people think dave is so great and the thing that really bugs me is that everybody thinks dave is like 10000X better than kirk. Ok so comparing the two i say kirk. Why?

Personal opinion. People say hendrix was a sloppy nigga and dudes lie Satch or Vai are the true PWNRS, other people say that hendrix owns any guy to ever step on earth.

He is technical, plays different styles, writes a few riffs, writes epic solos, and uses diatonic, pentatonic, arpeggios, sweeps, and whammy bar type things.
Technical? Different styles? FEW RIFFS? Dave has written much more than kirk has ever written. Sweeps and arpegios are common in any guitarrist, even kirk does it (lepper messiah, ride the lightning, tdtnc, fade to black, the tapping on one) they are just triads. Dave didnt use the whammy that much, so he got it off his guitars. On scales, dave is more varied than kirk (lucretia, for example) kirk uses pentatonic, and phrygian. On sweeps, not much on either side.

lot of his stuff sounds pretty much the same and based off of a pentatonic scale he uses a lot.
Kirk has used the pentatonic on every solo, even on those who had started to sound good, were raped by a pentatonic (just like zakk wylde does)

People rant on about how clean dave is and how messy kirk is. They're both messy these days but back in the 80s kirk was so clean with his solos and dave was still the same.
Kirk was never TeH cLeanZOrz. Dave was a stoned guy.

I can see if its your personal opinoin and you like his gritty style but from a technical standpoint i think kirk is better and more creative.
Kirk has only written 2 solos: The Unforgiven (he was forced to) and Welcome Home (Along with james and cliff)

I've even asked a professional about this (my guitar teacher with 20+ years of exp.) and she says kirk because dave is messy and his solos sound very similar.
Kirks solos are more repetitive. Have you listened to any metallica song? name five soloswhere kirk doesnt use the next two phrases:

e|-15-14-12-14-12-12|
b|----------------15---15-13|


e|------12-|
b|-15b--|


I like both but DAVE IS NOT GOD!!!!!
He is Jesus.

And Dave is not the best lead in megadeth
He is Rythm/Lead. He plays rythm and drops a solo every 10 songs.

its marty freidman.
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#38
put on yer halmet yer n00b!

i lyk metalicer but er also lyk peese sels

so i cant decide

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put on yer halmet yer n00b!

i lyk metalicer but er also lyk peese sels

so i cant decide

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Check out blood in the water on youtube...dave has some wicked leads on that!
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