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#1
I'm an idiot. I already know this, so please don't tell me how much of a dumbass I am... Haha. -Pretty much, I completely blanked out while cleaning up my Grandpa's super-old Gibson.....and I removed all the strings. -It didn't occur to me that I made a horrible mistake until I began to restring it and, what do ya know, the neck is completely warped.

Is there any way I could fix it here at home, even over a period of time? -Or should I take it in are already floating around. xD I googled for a couple hours trying to find something.

Also...
Would anyone happen to know what year this is, roughly? -Hell, would anyone know what it's called? The most I know is that it's a Gibson Archtop, but that's pretty much it.

It's super dirty, kinda of old, and definitely...messed up. xD
#5

I think that's an ok pic? -If not, let me know.

-But two strings I tried to put back on are up against the pick-ups. tightly..
And I don't want to tighten them too-too hard and have something else go wrong. xD
Last edited by shrimponbarbie at Jan 29, 2009,
#7
Blah.

-All I know, is that I took all the strings off...and started to put them back on, starting with the 6th string, and now it's pressing up against the pick-ups; hard. -It's not like the string is slightly resting of them with like, a twang..but it's pressing so hard against them that it's forming its own high note between the pick-ups and the bridge. =/
#8
it looks to me like the actions just too low. i dont know how to go about raising it though. take it to a guitar tech and get them to set it up, especially since its older, it'll need a bit more expertise and tlc than a newer guitar
Last edited by lp_std at Jan 29, 2009,
#9
Thanks, I'll do that.

-I just don't get how it was fine an hour or two ago...'til I took off the strings. xD That's what made me assume it was warped, because it was fine before.
#10
Maybe something happened with the tailpiece when you took them off?

And you do know, don't you, that the neck is supposed to be angled downwards like that, like a violin?
#11
It looks like you forgot to put on the bridge when you restrung in -- try that and see how it plays. But take it to a tech anyway -- a guitar like that needs to be treated special!

EDIT -- could be an ES-125??
Last edited by milagroso at Jan 29, 2009,
#12
Ummmmmmmmmmmm...........

Call me old fashioned but, I'd try putting the bridge and saddle back on. Would help with the intonation too.


Damn! Beaten by 2 minutes in a stating the bleeding obvious race
Last edited by Noz not Noz at Jan 29, 2009,
#13
It's the newest craze. The all in one pickup bridge.

I don't know my ass from third base when it comes to helping with your problem, but definitely a cool guitar. Hope everything turns out well for you.
#14
Thanks for all the help guys! :]

-And I just use too many text faces...period. Haha.
I feel as if I'm able to express myself more, I guess?
And annoy people at the same time as well, I see. :P

^ See? It helps me state the tone of my sentence, rather than you taking it in a negative way.
#15
You didn't put the bridge back on. Take it to someone who will be able to position it so you have correct intonation. An archtop bridge is NOT the same as your standard flat top. You didn't damage anything though. Don't worry.

It should look like this when it is together.


Be mindful that you're working on a multi-thousand dollar instrument. It's not a good one to learn set-ups on.
Last edited by GC Shred Off at Jan 29, 2009,
#16
THANKS AGAIN.
-Wow. . .I see what the issue is now.
I feel so dumb.
-I guess that's what I get for being a 17 year old female, huh?

I won't touch anything else. Haha.
I'll take it in this weekend so a pro can do it.
#17
Quote by shrimponbarbie

I feel so dumb.
-I guess that's what I get for being a 17 year old female, huh?


HOLY MOTHER OF CHRIST, OH NO YOU DID NOT JUST DO THAT. Did you just account for your stupidity and incompetence with the fact that you're female???

Here's some advice from one woman to another. Stop it. You will face enough people in your lifetime who will undervalue you, your work, your talents, and your achievements based on the fact that you are female. YOU do not need to do it for them, and other women certainly do not need you to validate these misogynist beliefs.

I for one am anything but dumb and there's no reason for you to act like it just because you're a girl. It's not cute, and you owe yourself so much more than that.
#18
Quote by shrimponbarbie
I feel so dumb.
-I guess that's what I get for being a 17 year old female, huh?

Yes. Definitely. Since when are women allowed guitars? In fact what are you doing out of the kitchen?

By the way, does your Grandpa know you're messing with his antique Gibson? If not I'd recommend you get it to a guitar shop or luthier asap.
#19
Ah.
I guess I shouldn't have said it like that? Haha.
- I just feel like such a noob..

I felt like I was stepping into like, a pack of snarling wolves coming here and posting, asking for help... and then to find out that all I forgot was the stinkin' bridge? I feel so dumb!! Not to mention, making such a stupid move by removing all the strings in the first place.
I've only been playing guitar for almost a year, not even. I feel like I don't know what I'm talking about because I kinda of looked stuff up on my own.

IDK if it's took late, but I take the female comment back?
I shouldn't have said it like that..

-And the "wolves" comment is probably a little too much? I guess, what I'm meaning to say, is that it seems like you guys know your stuff, and I feel intimidated by coming up in here sounding stupid. You guys are probably like, "HA, this girl... *eye roll*"


And also, my Grandpa passed away when I was like... one. I never even knew him, nor did I hear nice things about him either. - The guitar was passed onto my uncle, who I'm not in the least bit close to, and then he ended up giving it to my younger brother a year or so ago; and he's 14 now. (My Uncle obviously had no idea what it was or he would've sold it or something.) And all I knew about it was that Gibson was like O_O. -But needless to say, my brother had no desire to play it, or even take care of it, so I guess I adopted it in a sense. -It wasn't until last night when I went into complete panic when I realized what it was worth. But it's so beat up already, even before I opened the case, so I don't believe it's still worth all that much.

I'm taking a trip up to Accent Music TONIGHT to see if they can do anything for me, or at least let me know what I can do to take care of it.
#20
Quote by shrimponbarbie
Ah.
I guess I shouldn't have said it like that? Haha.
- I just feel like such a noob..

I felt like I was stepping into like, a pack of snarling wolves coming here and posting, asking for help... and then to find out that all I forgot was the stinkin' bridge? I feel so dumb!! Not to mention, making such a stupid move by removing all the strings in the first place.
I've only been playing guitar for almost a year, not even. I feel like I don't know what I'm talking about because I kinda of looked stuff up on my own.

IDK if it's took late, but I take the female comment back?
I shouldn't have said it like that..

-And the "wolves" comment is probably a little too much? I guess, what I'm meaning to say, is that it seems like you guys know your stuff, and I feel intimidated by coming up in here sounding stupid. You guys are probably like, "HA, this girl... *eye roll*"
Taking all the strings off at once isn't necessarily a bad thing to do, as long as you don't leave the guitar unstrung for a decent length of time. In fact if you want to take proper care of your guitar and clean the fingerboard it's far easier to take all the strings off at once, clean it then restring them all.

Don't worry, most people here aren't mean or wolf-like so long as you use proper grammar spelling and punctuation, oh, and you can take back comments by editing your posts and just cutting those parts out.
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Quote by blynd_snyper
Taking all the strings off at once isn't necessarily a bad thing to do, as long as you don't leave the guitar unstrung for a decent length of time. In fact if you want to take proper care of your guitar and clean the fingerboard it's far easier to take all the strings off at once, clean it then restring them all.

Don't worry, most people here aren't mean or wolf-like so long as you use proper grammar spelling and punctuation, oh, and you can take back comments by editing your posts and just cutting those parts out.

Yes. Not in the A&C forum, but the pit is a completely different story. Don't ask for help there.
#23
Wow this thread is all over the place.

Glad you got your problem fixed. Don't ever hesitate to come here with questions, no matter how stupid you think they are. We all have to start somewhere and the folks around here are pretty friendly.

One more piece of advice, you should probably figure out exactly what you have there. You need to figure out what year and model the guitar is and figure out how much it is worth. If it is worth a lot of money, having just your average guitar store do repairs and work on this guitar is not such a good idea. If you have a truely, extremely valuable instrument, it takes some research to find out who you should let work on it. The more qualified the luthier, the better your instrument will retain it's value.

If you want to know more about the guitar, have no idea where to start, and don't mind paying a few bucks to get the info... the folks at Gruhn Guitars in Nashville, TN, are vintage instrument experts. You can get an appraisal from them for $50 and this will tell you the approximate market value of the guitar as well as what year and model it is. Their website is here:

http://gruhn.com/

Click on "appraisal" on the left side of the page for info.
#24
Quote by GC Shred Off
You didn't put the bridge back on. Take it to someone who will be able to position it so you have correct intonation. An archtop bridge is NOT the same as your standard flat top. You didn't damage anything though. Don't worry.

It should look like this when it is together.


Be mindful that you're working on a multi-thousand dollar instrument. It's not a good one to learn set-ups on.



that is beautiful! what is it? looks kinda like a guild bluesbird body shape, only archtop
#25
So, I took it to Accent Music today. I basically went up to the guy at the counter, placed the case in front of him and ask if he'd be able to re-string it and put the bridge back into place. -The guy then said that I'd probably be able to do it myself and I instantly shot him down with a, "No way. I'm not doing it. I'm not messing it up."

He then proceeds to tell me that it was an antique and that he couldn't do it, but they have an "in-store guitar expert" that could possibly do it, if he felt comfortable. But then, he mentioned that the expert wouldn't be in until tomorrow, so it would be a couple of days before I got it back, IF he decided he could do it. - My other option that he stated was that he could ship it out to a specialized Gibson expert to take care of the re-stringing, and then fix anything else that would effect the tone of the guitar. (I think he said?)

So, it's currently out of my hands. Haha. But hopefully it'll just simply be re-stringed (and re-bridged, if you'd call it) and I'll get it back soon.. I hope my bill isn't too too pricey. I mean, ALL I told him I wanted was a restringing. But... I supposed anything else done to it couldn't hurt anything but the price in the end.

And the guitar was confirmed to be a Gibson Archtop ES-125. :] But we're unsure of the year; he still has to check the serial and look it up.

--- Thanks again for all your feedback. I really appreciate it.
#26
Wow...lucky......

That's pretty cool with the P-90 at the neck.

And that thing must sound absolutely amazing.....
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i realize the longshot that is. little giant to humongous one.


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#27
Hopefully your in-store expert will be able to shed some light on what you have there. The problem with old gibsons is that there is no rhyme or reason to the serial numbers so you start looking at the small details to date your instrument -- things like your tailpiece or the logo on the headstock.

And I think the guitar gods will be smiling down on you as you learn to play that great guitar!!!
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#28
Quote by shrimponbarbie

I think that's an ok pic? -If not, let me know.


Is it just me, or does the bow look a little off?
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#29
I looks like a lot of neck relief -- especially for not being strung. And I'm not mentioning the poster in the background.
#30
Quote by lp_std
that is beautiful! what is it? looks kinda like a guild bluesbird body shape, only archtop

I just found a random google image to show the TS what they were forgetting. I don't know the make or model, but archtops are out-of-this-world pretty in most cases.
#31
Was anyone else kinda wondering about that poster behind the guitar before you found out TS is a girl?
Quote by necrosis1193
As usual Natrone's mouth spouts general win.

Quote by Silverstein14
man, Natrone you're some kind of ninja I swear


Quote by gregs1020
plexi


i realize the longshot that is. little giant to humongous one.


Rest In Peace Stevie Ray
#32
That neck looks straight as an arrow to me. What looks odd about it to y'all? I'm no archtop expert.

ShriponBarbie... If they ship it to Gibson to have it restrung and have any work done on it... it WILL cost you a decent amount of money depending on what they do. If you don't have any money you better make sure they don't ship your guitar anywhere!
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^ after another look, it may be the way the picture is taken. If you look at the fretboard, it looks to me like it has a natural relief without tension. But look at the bottom of the neck, it looks straight. Well, smoke and mirrors I guess... the shop will tell you what's what.
#35
Haha, I was wondering about that.

Anyway, it seems pretty... well... silly to have them ship it to a Gibson specialist just for a restringing. I restrung my 1935 acoustic guitar the other day with no fear... I know how it is to fear putting new strings on - either for breaking the guitar, or the string itself - but don't worry. They can both take the pressure. On your part, it just takes confidence.

You'll be fine
Last edited by EJD at Jan 30, 2009,
#36
Quote by EJD
Haha, I was wondering about that.

Anyway, it seems pretty... well... silly to have them ship it to a Gibson specialist just for a restringing. I restrung my 1935 acoustic guitar the other day with no fear... I know how it is to fear putting new strings on - either for breaking the guitar, or the string itself - but don't worry. They can both take the pressure. On your part, it just takes confidence.

You'll be fine

Restringing an archtop takes a certain touch to correctly place the bridge. It's unlikely that she'll be able to get it perfect as a newbie to guitar maintenance. Having someone more experienced do it is a smart idea, but shipping it to Gibson may be a little excessive.
#37
If the in-store guy doesn't feel comfortable doing it, I'll tell them not to ship it out then. You guys know this stuff more than I do. Haha.

But my best friend's dad is good with guitars. He's worked with them for I don't know how many years.. But at the same time, I don't know how familiar he is with archtops.
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Quote by shrimponbarbie
But my best friend's dad is good with guitars. He's worked with them for I don't know how many years.. But at the same time, I don't know how familiar he is with archtops.

If he knows what he's doing, have him show you how while he does it. That is the best way to learn.
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