Poll: is pornography degrading to
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View poll results: is pornography degrading to
only women
6 9%
only men
0 0%
both
13 19%
neither
24 34%
bill hicks is awesome
27 39%
Voters: 70.
#1
now I'm sure you've all heard of arguments against pronography, one of the major ones being that it's degrading to women.

but what about men?

isn't a pornographic heterosexual film just as "degrading" and objectifying to men as it is to women?

discuss.

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#2
Wait, HOLD ON.


There are men in pornography??
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#3
Well, the amount of sperm shot onto submissive mens' faces in straight porn ain't massive.
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#4
It degrades men and women, it also warps people's sexual views. Sadly that effects women more than men. Also women are clearly the ones put in the truly degrading position in most pornography.
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#5
*tries to find that youtube vid with the guy sniffing the trophy undies, going 'I rule' and cartwheeling down the path'*

He doesn't seem to be degraded by it, and judging from the rest of the clip, he can't act to save himself, so it must be genuine.
#6
Quote by meh!
It degrades men and women, it also warps people's sexual views. Sadly that effects women more than men. Also women are clearly the ones put in the truly degrading position in most pornography.



so... are you saying you don't like pornography?
#7
Man, I was going to vote for neither, but Bill Hicks IS awesome.

Lets face it though, the only girls IN porn are the girls that WANT to do porn. It's their choice, and quite frankly the feminists should shut the hell up and let us fap.


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#8
Quote by CoreysMonster
so... are you saying you don't like pornography?



Innate sexual desire hasn't really got anything to do with it, I don't approve of it for the reasons listed. It's not like if I watched it (which I have obviously, this is the internet) i wouldn't feel anything, but I tend not to because....

I also don't like how 'accepted' it is. It's an industry that takes advantage of often damaged women (victims of rape and pedophilia are very common) for the sexual pleasure of people who could easily just use their imagination... or read a ****ing book if they want to wank.

It's also just unpleasant, i can't help but think people are deluding themselves when they say it's 'just another job'. It's prostitution, and if you're (not as in 'you') are ok with that then... yeah, we have a disagreement.
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#10
Bill Hicks is in poll so winning is now!!!
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Innate sexual desire hasn't really got anything to do with it, I don't approve of it for the reasons listed. It's not like if I watched it (which I have obviously, this is the internet) i wouldn't feel anything, but I tend not to because....

I also don't like how 'accepted' it is. It's an industry that takes advantage of often damaged women (victims of rape and pedophilia are very common) for the sexual pleasure of people who could easily just use their imagination... or read a ****ing book if they want to wank.

It's also just unpleasant, i can't help but think people are deluding themselves when they say it's 'just another job'. It's prostitution, and if you're (not as in 'you') are ok with that then... yeah, we have a disagreement.



hm those are some pretty good arguments.

as for the "just another job" deal, that's the same thing you (at least here in germany) hear alot of prostitues saying.

but then again, many women who are perfectly normal and have never been raped or whatever let themselves get photographed nude for magazines like Playboy or whatever, isn't doing porn just an extension of that?
because you can't tell me that every single actress who's shown a breast or crotch was raped or fingered by Uncle Harold at that wedding in '82.
#15
Quote by CoreysMonster
hm those are some pretty good arguments.

as for the "just another job" deal, that's the same thing you (at least here in germany) hear alot of prostitues saying.


Figures for hardcore pron are hard to get but I can tell you that most prostitutes are on hard drugs. The vast majority!. And source it if you're bothered. So, it really depends on what you want to call 'just a job' - but I consider prostitution to be pointedly different from most jobs.

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but then again, many women who are perfectly normal and have never been raped or whatever let themselves get photographed nude for magazines like Playboy or whatever, isn't doing porn just an extension of that?
because you can't tell me that every single actress who's shown a breast or crotch was raped or fingered by Uncle Harold at that wedding in '82.


You're probably right, i'm not really aware of the 'soft-core' side, to the women involved it seems mostly harmless. It's just naked pictures. But i dont think porn is 'just an extension' - again supporting drug addiction and the other reasons I mentioned are just too common.

I could just be a giant prude... but yeah, I don't think having sex in front of a camera is that 'normal' and I think it's a worrying sign for women that it's becoming more normal. Prostitution, as far as i'm concerned, shouldn't be considered an acceptable career.


On the slightly more theoretical side I think porn (and the lad's mags you were talking about) contribute to this societies attempts to objectify women far more successfully than in the past. P
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#16
It's more degrading to women, because they're the ones that tend to get half drowned with semen at the end of the film.
#17
Quote by CoreysMonster
as for the "just another job" deal, that's the same thing you (at least here in germany) hear alot of prostitues saying.


Hear that alot?
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#18
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I could just be a giant prude... but yeah, I don't think having sex in front of a camera is that 'normal' and I think it's a worrying sign for women that it's becoming more normal. Prostitution, as far as i'm concerned, shouldn't be considered an acceptable career.

On the slightly more theoretical side I think porn (and the lad's mags you were talking about) contribute to this societies attempts to objectify women far more successfully than in the past. P


in all honesty, mainstream media does that sooo much more extensively and effectively than porn ever has and or will.

models, singers, actresses, pin-up-girls, etc. etc.

the list goes on, and porn actresses are IMO a very small part.

girls to not wish to look like sticks because of porn actresses, they think they have to look like the "normal" girls on MTV and the models in magazines.


and I don't deny that many porn actresses are into hard drugs, but then again so are many normal actresses and musicians I just don't think you can lump them all into one bag and say they are all metally ill or summat. Some exhibitionists will most certainly get a thrill out of being ****ed in front of a camera, and that's just their sexual fantasy, doesn't mean they're sick.

but my main point of posting the thread was more, aren't guys being objectified in the same way as the women in porn? aren't they all super-built studs with huge dicks? isn't that just as degrading as the penis-hungry huge-titted chick?


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Hear that alot?


yeah, the often interview prostitues from the Reeper Bahn for trash televion "news" shows like "Punkt 9", "Taff" and other stupid shows I only watch when I'm sick at home with nothing to do.
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#19
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in all honesty, mainstream media does that sooo much more extensively and effectively than porn ever has and or will.

models, singers, actresses, pin-up-girls, etc. etc.

the list goes on, and porn actresses are IMO a very small part.

girls to not wish to look like sticks because of porn actresses, they think they have to look like the "normal" girls on MTV and the models in magazines.


and I don't deny that many porn actresses are into hard drugs, but then again so are many normal actresses and musicians I just don't think you can lump them all into one bag and say they are all metally ill or summat. Some exhibitionists will most certainly get a thrill out of being ****ed in front of a camera, and that's just their sexual fantasy, doesn't mean they're sick.

but my main point of posting the thread was more, aren't guys being objectified in the same way as the women in porn? aren't they all super-built studs with huge dicks? isn't that just as degrading as the penis-hungry huge-titted chick?

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Yes they are being objectified, and in an incredibly horrible way. However, they're the one with the power - not the actors themselves - but the industry wants them to be that way because men want to be viewed that way.

by and large, of course.
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#20
Quote by CoreysMonster
but my main point of posting the thread was more, aren't guys being objectified in the same way as the women in porn? aren't they all super-built studs with huge dicks? isn't that just as degrading as the penis-hungry huge-titted chick?

The main reason that guys in porn aren't being objectified is because nobody watching porn gives a toss about the guy.
#21
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The main reason that guys in porn aren't being objectified is because nobody watching porn gives a toss about the guy.



what, you don't know any chicks who watch porn?

obviously most porn is mainly for males, but chicks dig it, too.
#22
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what, you don't know any chicks who watch porn?

obviously most porn is mainly for males, but chicks dig it, too.

In that case, it must be that women are so objectified that noone gives a damn about their opinion.
#23
Quote by meh!
It degrades men and women, it also warps people's sexual views. Sadly that effects women more than men. Also women are clearly the ones put in the truly degrading position in most pornography.

This.

And of course it degrades men. Makes us look like tools who like choking women with our cocks.
#24
I think porn is what it is - if people want to take part in it, and are happy to do so, then that's fine. If people like watching it, that's fine too. It's just when people try to apply it to real life, or lose sight of reality, that it gets to be a problem - and that's not the porn's fault, that's the fault of the viewer in question. Much like people who emulate scenes from violent movies or videogames - it's not the fault of the movie/game, it's the fault of the mentally unstable person.

I think porn is pretty silly, myself - it's more funny than anything else. But I don't think it's degrading. I think people just need to know where to draw the line between what is an act and what is real.
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#25
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I think porn is what it is - if people want to take part in it, and are happy to do so, then that's fine. If people like watching it, that's fine too. It's just when people try to apply it to real life, or lose sight of reality, that it gets to be a problem - and that's not the porn's fault, that's the fault of the viewer in question. Much like people who emulate scenes from violent movies or videogames - it's not the fault of the movie/game, it's the fault of the mentally unstable person.

I think porn is pretty silly, myself - it's more funny than anything else. But I don't think it's degrading. I think people just need to know where to draw the line between what is an act and what is real.



very true, women and men are equally stupid in that point.

especially about the asshole, why the hell does everyone think all men have to like getting fingers stuck up their butt???
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#28
Doesn't matter who is getting f*cked in porn. Could be a woman, could be a guy... someone NEEDS to be degraded and that's the f*cking point! They're only doing it for money and I find that pretty hot... "Yeah, suck that c*ck, you filthy wh*re! Daddy would be so ashamed if he saw you doing this, wouldn't he? But you just wanna piss daddy off, don't you? You're a dirty dirty girl!"

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#29
I look at it like this, as unfortunate as it may be

I knew a couple girls who I graduated with who were just... very open about sex.
and did not really care.
They were actually incredibly nice and cool people, however their views of sex were... well, not mine at all considering I'm a virgin for nearly 20 years now (by absolute choice)

but they were the kind of girls that just enjoyed sex for the sake of it.
They would not have sex for just about anyone
but if they were paid to do it on camera.... they probably would if the price was right.

and I figure there are probably a great deal of pornstars who just simply look at it in that kind of way


it's only degrading if you find it degrading.


personally I do, I hate some of the things women or men are put through in pornography.
but then its a person's decision if they find that too much for them to do.
and well....it's on film, obviously they were not too offended by it.
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