#1
I've been looking at a lot of different amps, and these two are both 60watts. The Fireball usually gets a lot of great reviews, but how would it compare to the VHT Deliverance?

I'm looking at those for the lower watt heads and for the higher watt range: Peavey 5150, Framus Cobra, ENGL Powerball.

I'm having a hard time deciding which would work best for my purposes, low volume to high volume playablilty, abilty to cut through, and a ton of gain. I have another post running on the bigger amps, so this was more for the difference of the two in the topic.
#2
I'd reckon the ENGL is better value for money but I've never tried a Deliverance
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what country are you in? the fireball is about half the price of the deliverance in europe, while in the USA/Canada I imagine they're both a similar price.

i prefer the deliverance, but that's because it's more aimed at what i play.
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I've heard that the Fireball doesn't cut through well in a band situation but I've never tried it myself.
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what country are you in? the fireball is about half the price of the deliverance in europe, while in the USA/Canada I imagine they're both a similar price.

i prefer the deliverance, but that's because it's more aimed at what i play.



I'm in the US, so they're about the same out here. I play stuff, like: Brother Von Doom, Slayer, Atreyu, The Showdown, Pantera, Disturbed, Lamb of God.
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I'm in the US, so they're about the same out here. I play stuff, like: Brother Von Doom, Slayer, Atreyu, The Showdown, Pantera, Disturbed, Lamb of God.


I'd say both amps can do those bands, but the Fireball is voiced differently. Hate to break it to you, but like in 99% of these threads you're just going to have to try them.

That said, I think the VHT is more versatile, but I love the fireball voicing for metal.
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I've been looking at a lot of different amps, and these two are both 60watts. The Fireball usually gets a lot of great reviews, but how would it compare to the VHT Deliverance?

I'm looking at those for the lower watt heads and for the higher watt range: Peavey 5150, Framus Cobra, ENGL Powerball.

I'm having a hard time deciding which would work best for my purposes, low volume to high volume playablilty, abilty to cut through, and a ton of gain. I have another post running on the bigger amps, so this was more for the difference of the two in the topic.


The deliverance doesn't really have that much gain...it's not VHT's metal amp in my eyes, that would be the UL Pitbull.

I'd look into the Fireball of bias modded 5150. I don't think that the 5150 is anything more than **** until it is bias modded, after that is a raging beast from hell.
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#8
VHT is loads more versatile, even though it's only one channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBp3teijBro

That vid shows the dynamics of the Deliverance the best. guitar is an Ibanez Universe straight in, just manipulating volume knob and pickups for all tones. I actually really want a Deliverance after watching it.
#9
^ yeah, to me the vht is a lot more versatile and i like it more, but for the heavy bands he wants, the fireball might do it better out of the box.

as mark says, you're ideally going to want to try them- if you find the vht gets heavy enough (or gets there with a boost), personally i'd get that one, apart from anything it's much better value where you are.
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Perfect case of apples vs oranges.

Very dry and unforgiving vs Extreme saturation

You have to try these two out before you make a decision to really grasp the differences
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#11
Both seem quite dry and boxy to me. Very one dimensional (though that one plain may be a good sound).
They both lack life and the soulful tone (of even other metal amps)

The VHT just wins.

If i was in that situation - id prob. go for a modded 5150 or a Splawn Nitro or a pumped Mesa.
#12
I take it the powerball wouldn't be much different from the fireball in comparison to the VHT?
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I take it the powerball wouldn't be much different from the fireball in comparison to the VHT?



Regardless of what many people conclude, i found that when i tried the pball, it was quite different than the fball. They excel both at the same thing, being high gain modern metal...but the Powerball I found to have much more liquid and smooth gain...but yet still maintained brutal punch, crunch, and saturation.
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Will it be called the Fryette Deliverance now that VHT belongs to AXL?

just curious?
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Regardless of what many people conclude, i found that when i tried the pball, it was quite different than the fball. They excel both at the same thing, being high gain modern metal...but the Powerball I found to have much more liquid and smooth gain...but yet still maintained brutal punch, crunch, and saturation.


i felt the same, but i should add that i haven't tried the powerball for absolutely ages, so it's possible if i tried it tomorrow i may think differently...
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#17
Im not a fan of the Fryettes dry tone to be honest nor did it have the gain to keep up with the fireball. So I do prefer the Fireball over it, but the fireball can sound quite monotone. It's not really lively its just a ton of saturation. And versatility sucks horribly as well. I would honestly look for something a bit different all together..
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Will it be called the Fryette Deliverance now that VHT belongs to AXL?

just curious?

Yes. All the serious formerly VHT amps are now Fryettes, incl the Deliverance & Pittbull.
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Yes. All the serious formerly VHT amps are now Fryettes, incl the Deliverance & Pittbull.


Thanks for the heads up!
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