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A lot of times people seem to go:
"Ya, Led Zeppeling are better off without Robert Plant, he's an asshole"

But seeing as the name of the band isn't plural and you are in fact referring to a single entity that happens to be itself referring to a group of people, I would think that you should use "is" instead of "are" in such a situation.

Ex. 2: "Franklin High School are ready to break ground on new building site."
You wouldn't say that, you would use "is" instead.

Stop referring to band names as if they are plural, faggots.

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FYI Bands are collective nouns and are treated as singular
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Yeah. I agreed with that.
It seems like a lot of people don't, though.
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A lot of times people seem to go:
"Ya, Led Zeppeling are better off without Robert Plant, he's an asshole"

But seeing as the name of the band isn't plural and you are in fact referring to a single entity that happens to be itself referring to a group of people, I would think that you should use "is" instead of "are" in such a situation.

Ex. 2: "Franklin High School are ready to break ground on new building site."
You wouldn't say that, you would use "is" instead.

Stop referring to band names as if they are plural, faggots.


THIS! I see this SO much and I rage so hard. Even the reporters on UG do this. It is a *RULE* in the English language that ALL proper nouns are SINGULAR! Please stop to referring to bands as plural.
#6
It's a bunch of people though, so it's like "a bunch of people are..."
I see what you're saying though, it is right technically.


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What if a band name were to start with the word "The?" Like The Ramones? Would it still be considered singular?
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It's a bunch of people though, so it's like "a bunch of people are..."
I see what you're saying though, it is right technically.

Wrong. You are talking about the band when you say "Megadeth are in the studio." That is completely wrong and the only way to fix it if you WANT to use "are" is to say: "The members of Megadeth are in the studio," otherwise, band names are ALWAYS singular, even if it's The Beatles and such.
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What if a band name were to start with the word "The?" Like The Ramones? Would it still be considered singular?

Yes.
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What if a band name were to start with the word "The?" Like The Ramones? Would it still be considered singular?

I think not.
"The ramones are..."
But I'm not sure.

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Wrong. You are talking about the band when you say "Megadeth are in the studio." That is completely wrong and the only way to fix it if you WANT to use "are" is to say: "The members of Megadeth are in the studio," otherwise, band names are ALWAYS singular, even if it's The Beatles and such.


No, I'm not wrong.
I was saying, that's how people see it, and I then agreed that technically "is" is right.


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A lot of times people seem to go:
"Ya, Led Zeppeling are better off without Robert Plant, he's an asshole"

But seeing as the name of the band isn't plural and you are in fact referring to a single entity that happens to be itself referring to a group of people, I would think that you should use "is" instead of "are" in such a situation.

Ex. 2: "Franklin High School are ready to break ground on new building site."
You wouldn't say that, you would use "is" instead.

Stop referring to band names as if they are plural, faggots.



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yeah but it sounds funny, and it's our right as human being to change are language as we go along and as we have been doing for the past centuries.
what pisses ME off is when people get uppity about neologisms and slang, saying it's ruining the language. A language is an organic entity, and is defined not by rules and textbooks but by its use.

Metallica is going to go into the studio

Metallica are going to go into the studio.

IMO, the second one just sounds more natural, because by referring to "metallica" you are referring to a "they", as in a group of people.

but i don't really give a hoot about english, I guarantee you it's worse in german.
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You can use either....whichever sounds right. Does it really ****ing matter?
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#16
Depends on how it's used.

"Led Zeppelin is a mediocre band"
There you would use "is" because you are referring to the band as a whole.

"Led Zeppelin are horrible songwriters"
There you would use "are" because you are referring to the members of the band.

I think that's how it is.
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I think not.
"The ramones are..."
But I'm not sure.

No, think about it. If you say "The Eagles are coming to town," you are talking about the BAND, which is a singular noun (proper noun at that). Like I said before, the only way to make this correct is if you specifically refer to the members, otherwise it is proper to say "The Eagles is coming to town."
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I know completely tools who says things like:

"The Simpsons are on!"

or

"America's Funniest Home Videos are on!"


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I prefer the plural way. I've never used, or seen anyone use, something like "The Beatles is awesome".
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#21
Whenever I've referred to a band as 'are', it's because I'm familiar with the band members and am talking about them as opposed to the collective term I'd use if it were a band I didn't know well. As in:
'Metallica are good musicians'
'Fall Out Boy is lousy in the musical sense'

I don't think that this is a bad enough grammatical issue to rant and rave about, since there are still 'your/you're' and 'their/there/they're' problems everywhere.
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Have you even finished high school?

"The Beatles is coming to town" would just make you sound like a fucking retard.
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"The Beatles is coming to town" would just make you sound like a fucking retard.

It would make me sound like a retard because I know what I am talking about and everyone around me hearing what I am saying is illiterate? Ok, you're right, I'll stop talking now?
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A lot of times people seem to go:
"Ya, Led Zeppeling are better off without Robert Plant, he's an asshole"


Ok, I know this has already been said but I cannot contain myself.

OH, THE IRONY HERE!

I totally wouldn't respond if you made a typo like "Led Zeppelinb."

But you? You made it into a VERB! A mathafookin' verb! Like "I am Zeppeling right now, call me back later."

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Whenever I've referred to a band as 'are', it's because I'm familiar with the band members and am talking about them as opposed to the collective term I'd use if it were a band I didn't know well. As in:
'Metallica are good musicians'
'Fall Out Boy is lousy in the musical sense'

I don't think that this is a bad enough grammatical issue to rant and rave about, since there are still 'your/you're' and 'their/there/they're' problems everywhere.


I think it depends on the predicate, too. Musicians=are; Sense=is
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It would make me sound like a retard because I know what I am talking about and everyone around me hearing what I am saying is illiterate? Ok, you're right, I'll stop talking now?

"The Beatles" is not singular because it refers to multiple singular units (Beatles) as opposed to a single unit consisting of multiple people (Metallica).
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"The Beatles" is not singular because it refers to multiple singular units (Beatles) as opposed to a single unit consisting of multiple people (Metallica).

Really? Rofl. "The Beatles" is a band. You're saying The Beatles refers to a group of 4 people, generically, and NOT the band? Hmm, this thread is full of win. Keep going.
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yeah but it sounds funny, and it's our right as human being to change are language as we go along and as we have been doing for the past centuries.
what pisses ME off is when people get uppity about neologisms and slang, saying it's ruining the language. A language is an organic entity, and is defined not by rules and textbooks but by its use.

Metallica is going to go into the studio

Metallica are going to go into the studio.

IMO, the second one just sounds more natural, because by referring to "metallica" you are referring to a "they", as in a group of people.

but i don't really give a hoot about english, I guarantee you it's worse in german.


Metallica are going to go into the studio sounds retarded. What are you thinking?

Also, I'm sick of people saying Jason Newstead. It's Jason NEWSTED god damnit.
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Really? Rofl. "The Beatles" is a band. You're saying The Beatles refers to a group of 4 people, generically, and NOT the band? Hmm, this thread is full of win. Keep going.

Now it's just down to perception, everyone else views it as plural the same way I do. Both ways could be technically correct but you're still going to make the people around you think you're an idiot for saying it. It's just that simple.
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Really? Rofl. "The Beatles" is a band. You're saying The Beatles refers to a group of 4 people, generically, and NOT the band? Hmm, this thread is full of win. Keep going.


No, I'm going to have to agree with him. I've seen many instances like "Paul, former Beatle" or "Keith Rickards, a Rolling Stone," or etc.

It's four individuals grouped together, made plural. And this thread, no disrespect to it, is not full of win.
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Hmm, this thread is full of win. Keep going.

Really?
Just because it is grammatically correct, it doesn't mean people have to say it that way. It's been said many times that fans will say whatever feels right to them. If I want to say "BTBAM are an amazing band", I will, and you can't stop me.
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#34
I agree, band names like Led Zeppelin (not Led Zeppling) should be used in a context such as: "Led Zeppelin is a great band."
However, band names that are plural, such as The Ramones, The Hives, or The Beatles, should be treated as plural. In a plural band name, it is my belief that each one of the members is a Ramone, Hive, or Beatle, and that the band names of such groups are collectively referring to all of the members.
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Formal and notional agreement

In BrE, collective nouns can take either singular (formal agreement) or plural (notional agreement) verb forms, according to whether the emphasis is, respectively, on the body as a whole or on the individual members; compare a committee was appointed ... with the committee were unable to agree ...[5][6] Compare also Elvis Costello's song, Oliver's Army is here to stay / Oliver's Army are on their way. Some of these nouns, for example staff,[7] actually combine with plural verbs most of the time.

In AmE, collective nouns are usually singular in construction: the committee was unable to agree ... AmE however may use plural pronouns in agreement with collective nouns: the team take their seats, rather than the team takes its seat(s). The rule of thumb is that a group acting as a unit is considered singular and a group of "individuals acting separately" is considered plural.[8] However, such a sentence would most likely be recast as the team members take their seats.

The difference occurs for all nouns of multitude, both general terms such as team and company and proper nouns (for example, where a place name is used to refer to a sports team). For instance,

BrE: The Clash are a well-known band; AmE: The Clash is a well known band.
BrE: Indianapolis are the champions; AmE: Indianapolis is the champion.

Proper nouns which are plural in form take a plural verb in both AmE and BrE; for example, The Beatles are a well-known band; The Colts are the champions.



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^ British English doesn't count.


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