#1
I want to hang my guitars on a wall in my house. The wall is an outside wall but in a well heated and AC'd room where my home theater system will be as well. They will not be in any direct sunlight at all. The room is 21'x37' with 9' ceilings. What should I be concerned about when it comes to long term care of the guitars? I currently have a MIM Strat, American Strat and a Washburn acoustic. At some point in time I will be adding a few more guitars ($700-$1500 acoustic and the David Gilmour Strat). Can I safely hang these on my wall or is there something I am missing? I find when the guitars are away in their cases I do not play them as often as when they are out and readily accessible.

--JK
#2
The electrics will be utterly unaffected. If you keep them away from any wildly fluctuating temperatures and humidities (like next to a heater), the acoustic will be fine too. If you end up with a more valuable acoustic in the future, you'll likely want to store it in its case, but hanging up your Washburn wont be a problem.
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#3
It would be better if you could find an interior wall to hang them on -- also a room humidifier would be a good investment for you if you plan to keep expensive guitars out. Your electrics can be affected by humidity changes too -- most noticably in the neck and fingerboard. I'm like you -- I play them more if they are close at hand, but you'll thank yourself in years to come if you display them safely!
#4
Room humidifier is something you should definately get if you keep the more expensive guitar out.

And you should really hang them on an interior wall, because the surface of the wall won't be effected as much as an exterior wall. I hang my guitars on an interior wall for that exact purpose.
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#5
Wondering where you are located. Hanging on an exterier wall in Florida vs. doing it here in Edmonton where for 6 weeks it was -30 celcius (-22 F) ..... is going to be quite a differnet story.

The acoustic will be the most affected but depends on the materials, but ... even if you have no guitars, Relative Humidity in the mid 40's is just plain more comfortable and more fuel efficient if you have to heat in the winter, so there's no reason not to humidify, and it will only keep you guitars happier. Sears sells some good humidifiers. Mine pumps about 20 litres, (4-5 gallons) of water into the air a day just to maintain RH of 40%. Just make sure you clean the humidifier out once a month 'cause bacteria can build up in them and THAT isn't good for you.
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#6
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Wondering where you are located. Hanging on an exterier wall in Florida vs. doing it here in Edmonton where for 6 weeks it was -30 celcius (-22 F) ..... is going to be quite a differnet story.

The acoustic will be the most affected but depends on the materials, but ... even if you have no guitars, Relative Humidity in the mid 40's is just plain more comfortable and more fuel efficient if you have to heat in the winter, so there's no reason not to humidify, and it will only keep you guitars happier. Sears sells some good humidifiers. Mine pumps about 20 litres, (4-5 gallons) of water into the air a day just to maintain RH of 40%. Just make sure you clean the humidifier out once a month 'cause bacteria can build up in them and THAT isn't good for you.


well im in Florida and i used to be able to say i leave my acoustics out, but now Florida is getting record lows lately...ya its no -22 but with the windchill factor it is getting in the teens etc and for Florida thats frikken cold!!! had to put my CE714 Taylor in its case because the room humidifier couldnt raise it over 40%.
#7
Two or thee months ago I did exactly what you want to do...and today all my guitars are back in their cases.

The dry winter air was destroying every one of my guitars. The acoustics were getting neck bend, slight cracks, top bulging. The electrics were getting neck shrinkage (the fret ends were now felt going up and down the neck). I have put all guitars back in their cases with humidifers (some homemade) and they are coming back to life.

Sure all ten guitars looked amazing hanging on the walls of one room. But you have to put them in your cases if you do not want to constantly micro-manage your room's temperature, humidity.

Come Spring/Summer I will re-hang my guitars and see how things work out. But winter months it was insane how quickly the guitars changed for the worse.
#8
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The dry winter air was destroying every one of my guitars. The acoustics were getting neck bend, slight cracks, top bulging. The electrics were getting neck shrinkage (the fret ends were now felt going up and down the neck).

With no intention of calling you out, I have to ask...

a) What the hell type of guitars do you have that fall apart so easily?

or

b) What sort of hellish climate do you live in (or do you store your guitars in)?

None of my guitars have ever suffered anything close to the mayhem you describe. I live in Connecticut, so I'd say its a fairly harsh winter climate. My electrics sit in our unheated playroom and my acoustics reside on stands in the heated part of the house. They're all in great shape, and have been for many years.
#9
New York winter.
These are the guitars that were affected:

- Chinese made Epiphone acoustic - neck bending down where it joins body, crack developed near soundhole, top becoming mishapen, corduroy type texture developing in the wood -- all classic signs of drying out

- Made in Mexico Fender Jazz Bass - frets were begininng to be felt on edges of neck, neck was drying out

- USA made Ovation Elite - neck was bowing. I had this guitar for 15 years. Hung the guitar on a wall hanger and just a month later first time in fifteen years I had to ever adjust the neck

Before anything could happen to my Ric, Casino, or Strat I tucked them away into cases.
#10
FYI- I am in the Philadelphia, PA area. The room will be well heated and air conditioned but I am not sure about the humidity.

--JK
#11
I'm hanging my electric and acoustic guitar on the wall too. They are both next to a window and above a radiator. Am I doing it wrong? The reason I came to this subforum at the first place was that my acoustic 12 string's 2. fret is not sounding anymore. Could this be the problem? Does it mean my electric guitar will be next? I really hope I get guarantee.
#12
That could quite possibly be the worst possible place to hang your acoustic. I would put the acoustic in it's case and humidify it. Move the electric to another wall. If you have a non-laquered fretboard, oil it if it looks dry
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#13
But acoustics are always hanging on walls in shops . I will move them to another wall then, but it's going to be very difficult. I'll try to find a place.
Thanks a lot!
#14
If your are going to keep an acoustic out of it's case, the you need to go to purchase a room humidifier and try to keep it at about 45% relative humidity. Most music stores do hang their acoustics, but they will have humidifiers running. Some music stores where I am feel like you've entered the tropics they keep it so humid. Too much humidity isn't supposed to be good either, but that is so rare I haven't heard much about it.

Radiator/window.. .bad... you want the area with the most consistent temp, not where you get cold/hot cold/hot.... that's true for anything wood... furniture..... floors, cabinets. Humidity in a room will naturally keep the temperatures from fluctating as much and also there are many health benefits as well....

Taylor guitars website has some excellent videos on damage from lack of humidity and even how to fix a guitar damaged when it's cracked from lack of moisture. I suggest you watch these as re-humidifying too fast isn't good either.
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#15
What is a humidifier? I know it makes the place humid, but what does it look like? How much do they cost? If I buy one, can I let the guitars stay where they are: next to the radiator and a window?
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#16
Even with a humidifier, get them away from windows, radiators, heat vents... stoves.. or anything else that changes the temperature in either direction. (air condtioners).

A whole house humidifier will cost $100 + or minus 20 or 30 depending on square footage.

A room humidifier is 20 or 30 bucks at WalMart or Shoppers.

Here's an example:
http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-2%252e5%252dgal%252e-Warm-Moisture-Humidifier/dp/B000JGHUYO/ref=pd_bbs_9?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1234215669&sr=8-9


There are also case humidifiers that you put over/in the round hole of an acoustic. THese are only 5-10 bucks, but are most effective when the guitar is in it's case, so .. no hangin on the wall.
These look like this.
http://www.amazon.com/Kyser-KLHA-Acoustic-Guitar-Humidifier/dp/B0002GZSNQ/ref=tag_tdp_sv_edpp_i
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#17
I should add that have to fill the water in a room/house humidfier daily, sometimes twice daily, and they need to be cleaned every couple of weeks, and there is a cost for changing filters.

The actual guitar hole humidifiers are definately lower cost and maitenance. Mine, when I use it only needs to be redamped every 5 - 7 days.
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#18
You shouldn't store your guitars like that. It puts all the weight of the guitar on the weakest point, and guitars' weight isn't distributed evenly so with the time the neck will warp.
#19
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You shouldn't store your guitars like that. It puts all the weight of the guitar on the weakest point, and guitars' weight isn't distributed evenly so with the time the neck will warp.

I'm afraid that isn't true at all. If it were, every guitar store in the world wouldn't be doing it.
#20
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I'm afraid that isn't true at all. If it were, every guitar store in the world wouldn't be doing it.


How is it not true? To say that is completely stupid. It's gravity. It's fine for periods of time, but if that is always where your guitar is gonna sit, when you're not playin it, it will warp the neck.

Every guitar store in the world doesn't do it. Every really good guitar store I have been to doesn't. And I have been to several guitar stores that put the better ones on somethin similar to the hangers but with support underneath.
#21
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How is it not true? To say that is completely stupid. It's gravity. It's fine for periods of time, but if that is always where your guitar is gonna sit, when you're not playin it, it will warp the neck.

Every guitar store in the world doesn't do it. Every really good guitar store I have been to doesn't. And I have been to several guitar stores that put the better ones on somethin similar to the hangers but with support underneath.

Gravity pulling the guitar neck down in a straight line doesn't cause it to mysteriously warp in one direction or another. Either way, it isn't an issue because the tension from the strings is an order of magnitude larger than the weight of the guitar pulling down. It honestly will never cause a problem over the useful lifespan of the guitar. That is why nearly every guitar dealer stores their guitars on neck hangers or similar.
#22
In my experience, the only ones hanging premium guitars like that are the chain stores.

It's an interesting theory, your gravity defying guitar hangers, but I'm not subscribing. I'll keep my guitars in their cases, where they were meant to be stored.

Matt Bruck, Eddie Van Halen's former tech, current best friend and right hand man, agrees with me.
#23
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In my experience, the only ones hanging premium guitars like that are the chain stores.

I'm not sure where you're from, but every custom builder, high end, and general music store I've been in has their guitars like this (save the really exotic, glass case ones).
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It's an interesting theory, your gravity defying guitar hangers, but I'm not subscribing. I'll keep my guitars in their cases, where they were meant to be stored.

You missed the part where I described why the weight of the guitar is negligible compared to the string tension. I do agree, however, that cases are safer from climate changes and stray objects that can knock things over.
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Matt Bruck, Eddie Van Halen's former tech, current best friend and right hand man, agrees with me.

And GC Shred Off, my current guitar tech disagrees.

Unless you show me an example of a guitar that went to hell because someone put it on a neck hanger, I wont believe it. The only real danger in hanging guitars comes from knocking into them.
#24
If I just move them to a more stable temperatured wall, will I need a humidifier? Unbelievably how much you have to mess with those things to store them nicely. Will a bag work instead of a case? I don't have a case.
#25
Yes you need to humidify, yes a bag will work.
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#27
i would think you would still need to humidify in a bag, a bag isnt as tight as a case. i recently had to case my acoustics for a few days and i checked the humidity lvls of each case after a few hours and it was barely higher than the room humidity so i had to place the case humidifiers in.
#28
Omg!
But a guitar inside a bag is still safer than a guitar hanging on a wall? No humidifiers...