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#1
Well Pit, what do you think? I don't expect to get many serious answers but whatever. I was reading an article about erotic art which said that for some reason, erotic art is artistic whereas pornography isn't, and that made me wonder.

I'd say pornography is art, because there is the element of composition in making a pornographic film.
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#3
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no


And your justification is?
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#5
some are some arent. like a vid of some 21yr old slut bieng ****ed in a van, NO! but the stuff they show on cinemax...
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It doesn't matter. He is right.
#8
Pornography is not art.

However, nudity does not equal pornohraphy, as there is erotic art which is not pornography
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#9
I know jack-**** about art, but I do know that when I go look at it, it's because I want to use my brain. Get my intelligence and perception challenged.

Only thing porn challenges is my view on women. Go figure.
#10
Some art contains pornography, but I don't necessarily think that teh p0rnZ is artistic
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#11
There is a genre named Nude art, which is art.

Pornography itself however, is just made for entertainment, there are no meanings, no general plots, no character developments, no plot twists, very simplistic and brief setting. And by that I will go with no, it is no art.
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#12
Pornography is not art, and that's exactly what makes it pornography. Sexuality certainly does have a place in art, but pornography is a cynical attempt to provoke a basal response with the intention of making a profit, not of creating a meaningful... anything.
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#13
Pornography is kind of like food. You can add little flourishes and obviously there's an element of composition in getting it right, but any artistic value is secondary to its main purpose: being food. Or getting yer rocks off. So I guess that's the distinction between 'erotic art' and straight-up porn.
#14
Everything created by humans is to be used or enjoyed in some way. Creative talent is used to create everything. Therefore, porn is indeed art.
#16
Porn =/= Art

Erotic art is art.

Porn is just porn.

Just because its a film doesnt make it art. I wouldn't call The Matrix trilogy or Ace Ventura art so i wouldn't call 'All Swedish Jug Fucking Vol. 8' art either.
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Everything created by humans is to be used or enjoyed in some way. Creative talent is used to create everything. Therefore, porn is indeed art.

Find me the artistic value of a guy ramming his dick up some random girl's vagina while calling her a slut.

There is nothing wrong with pornography, but don't say it's art.
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#19
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There is a genre named Nude art, which is art.

Pornography itself however, is just made for entertainment, there are no meanings, no general plots, no character developments, no plot twists, very simplistic and brief setting. And by that I will go with no, it is no art.



Have you seen two girls, one cup?


I'd say that qualifies as a plot twist.

But seriously, I don't think most porn is art. Sure, some of it (Playboy) could be considered art if taken in the right context but most of the hardcore stuff on the internet is far from artistic.
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#20
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Everything created by humans is to be used or enjoyed in some way. Creative talent is used to create everything. Therefore, porn is indeed art.


Your justification is that anything created by humans is art? Is a house art? A sandwich? A stock portfolio?
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#21
Art is anything you can get away with.

So, yes, technically speaking, pornography is art. It's a genre of motion picture, which is also art.

To exclude a certain genre or style of any kind of art simply because it is seen as "negative" by someone doesn't mean it's not art.
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#22
Nude art and erotic art is legit.

And granted it takes skill to operate a camera, and exploit people, and photoshop pics, the majority of porn is NOT artistic in the least.

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Pornography is kind of like food. You can add little flourishes and obviously there's an element of composition in getting it right, but any artistic value is secondary to its main purpose: being food. Or getting yer rocks off. So I guess that's the distinction between 'erotic art' and straight-up porn.



Ah, but there is such a thing as culinary art. It is indeed another medium.

Chocolate syrup.


Sugar Sculpture



Watermelon



Etc.
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#23
The end product of bukkake is art.

If they can call Jackson ****ing Pollock's utter crap "art" Then bukkake is.
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#24
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Your justification is that anything created by humans is art? Is a house art? A sandwich? A stock portfolio?


Yeah, ever seen one of those victorian mansions? Food is definately art in its own right. Ask a chef, his talent is based of mixing ingredients into a final masterpiece to be chomped on. A stock portfolio is a person's assets, and such things may include money, which is art, useful, reproduced art, and possibly houses, which, are art.
If it was made, using ANY thought whatsoever, it is art.
Obviously, they put thought into porn, if not there wouldn't be crappy lines, like 'You're fired, but first give me a blowjob'.
#27
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Porn is porn, not art. You don't jack off to art, do you?

Depends on the art.

People have sex to music all the time. There's even music made FOR the act of sexual congress.

Just sayin'.
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#28
The choco-syrup pic up there is amazing!
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movies=films
films=entertainment
films=art
porn=films
films=art; therefor porn=art?

Too bad you can't use maths to define art. There's a continuum that most (if not all) created things fall on, that looks like:
Artistic--------------------------------------Functional

Depending on what it is, functional might be "nourishing" or "entertaining" or "keeping the elements off mah head." In this case it's artistic--raw, primal entertainment.

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#30
Well.....

The term Art causes some really annoying semantic arguments. Just to play it safe, I'll use the Webster's definition.

1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation <the art of making friends>

2 a: a branch of learning: (1): one of the humanities (2)plural : liberal arts barchaic : learning , scholarship

3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill <the art of organ building>

4 a: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects ; also : works so produced b (1): fine arts (2): one of the fine arts (3): a graphic art

5 aarchaic : a skillful plan b: the quality or state of being artful

6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter



So I think we all know what porn is. I think that someone could consider it applicable to the bolded definition. I guess so.
#31
I think it's kind of funny how people don't consider porn art, mainly because it doesn't have that sophisticated image a lot of art does.
#32
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I think it's kind of funny how people don't consider porn art, mainly because it doesn't have that sophisticated image a lot of art does.

People have always done that. It's not just with porn.

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#34
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There is a genre named Nude art, which is art.

Pornography itself however, is just made for entertainment, there are no meanings, no general plots, no character developments, no plot twists, very simplistic and brief setting. And by that I will go with no, it is no art.

What do you mean no plot twists. What about the one where the 40 year old woman orders a big sausage pizza and finds out the sausage is the pizza boy's dick.
#36
Everything is art. Whether it was meant to be art or not, the human body is art. That random bridge is art, food is art, a pile of dog **** is art, a house is art.

There are varying qualities of art, but porn is just really low quality art. If a kid drew a stick figure you'd say it's not art, i'd say it's just very low quality art.

Definition:
art: the products of human creativity

So basically, it's just a very low amount of creativity to have a video of ramming something into a woman, but video=images moving rapidly, and if you can have a photo of a woman naked be art and not a video...well then you just suck.
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#37
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Everything is art. Whether it was meant to be art or not, the human body is art. That random bridge is art, food is art, a pile of dog **** is art, a house is art.

There are varying qualities of art, but porn is just really low quality art. If a kid drew a stick figure you'd say it's not art, i'd say it's just very low quality art.

Definition:
art: the products of human creativity

So basically, it's just a very low amount of creativity to have a video of ramming something into a woman, but video=images moving rapidly, and if you can have a photo of a woman naked be art and not a video...well then you just suck.

You contradicted yourself.

The first statement was right, IMO. EVERYTHING is art, or can at least be interpreted as art.

A waterfall is art. The sound it creates, the image it creates, the way the mist falls from the water, what the light (or lack of light) does to the mist, etc. Art doesn't have to be a product of human creativity. No thought can be put into something and still be art.

That's just my opinion, though
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#38
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There is a genre named Nude art, which is art.

Pornography itself however, is just made for entertainment, there are no meanings, no general plots, no character developments, no plot twists, very simplistic and brief setting. And by that I will go with no, it is no art.


I agree with you but at the same time, abstract art lacks meaning and can still be considered art.

I think you'd have to look at an individual piece of art to decide whether it's art ort or pornography. I don't think a general rule can be applied to either.
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#40
I wouldn't consider it art. The artistic values in porn are very poor.. So, if considered art, it would be equivalent in artistic value to elevator music or pictures in cheap hotel rooms.
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