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#1
I have been playing acoustic guitar for a while now and want to get my first electric guitar. I'm on a bit of a tight budget sadly but I'm after something quite specific - a P90 equiped guitar.

I fell in love with the sound of them after playing my cousins Epiphone Casino. Now i know I'm not going to get anything that sounds like a casino, but I do want to get a P90 guitar, the only problem is I can't find many budget range guitars with P90's.

The one I'm looking at is a Squire Telecaster Custom, can anyone else suggest any other budget guitars with P90's or is this going to be my best bet?

Thanks in advance
#2
P90's suit the Gibson (and Epi., etc) style of guitar. Mahogany body and neck pup on the harmonic. Take those away (like that Tele) and what you have left is a bit of a nothing. Better to get some cheap copy LP or SG and do the nasty replacement ('cos of the different shape to humbuckers) At least they'll be in the right place.
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#3
I was hoping this wouldn't be the answer, the thought of changing pickups etc terrifies me and my wallet
#4
how much money do you have and where do you live?
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#5
http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000prestp90.html


Dont let the brand name "Agile" fool you. I just got my AL-3100 in, and it is BY FAR the nicest playing guitar I've laid hands on for under 500 dollars. I suggest you look into that as at least one option.
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#6
I've got about £200 and live in the UK.

I've heard of agile guitars before, love the look of them, but can't seem to find anyone who sells them in the uk
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P90's suit the Gibson (and Epi., etc) style of guitar. Mahogany body and neck pup on the harmonic. Take those away (like that Tele) and what you have left is a bit of a nothing. Better to get some cheap copy LP or SG and do the nasty replacement ('cos of the different shape to humbuckers) At least they'll be in the right place.

I don't agree with that. I have played a Tele copy once that had P-90s and sounded amazing.


To the threadstarter: The guitars Steaven Seagull linked to are good. Vintage is a good choice when it comes to budget guitars in Europe at the moment.
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I've got about £200 and live in the UK.

I've heard of agile guitars before, love the look of them, but can't seem to find anyone who sells them in the uk

No Agiles in the UK.The equivalent is the Vintage brand, which Seagull linked you to. Buy one of those, and you'll be happy for quite a long time.
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#11
That's true, the Washburn WII66 PROG is a goldtop with P90's. Costs a bit extra, but worth it.
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#12
Thanks for the links to the Vintage stuff, will check them out. Love the fact I can get a goldtop with p90s for less than £200
#13
I've got a Squire Tele Custom with the P90's and it is a good guitar for the money. The playing action is nice and low and it sounds good to. It will happily play anything from the jangly to full on ear blowing stuff. As you can play the guitar already give a few different guitars in the shop a go and see which feels best to you. At the price you are looking at you will find something decent.
#14
If you can find one, I've got a mid 70s Harmony H802, they tend to go online for 65-100 bucks, and sound beautiful. Mine has crap action but that seems to be the exception.
#15
I'd recommend a PRS SE Soapbar. At around 300-350 pounds a pop, it's abit over your budget but I believe the Korean made guitar are much much better in term of quality than the Chinese counterpart. The strat style Soapbars aren't as good looking as the pre-lawsuit singlecut but they are discontinued . Heard alot of good reviews on them too. By the way, keep an eye out for P90 pickups as some of them are normal singlecoils in larger casing!

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I'd recommend a PRS SE Soapbar. At around 300-350 pounds a pop, it's abit over your budget but I believe the Korean made guitar are much much better in term of quality than the Chinese counterpart. The strat style Soapbars aren't as good looking as the pre-lawsuit singlecut but they are discontinued . Heard alot of good reviews on them too. By the way, keep an eye out for P90 pickups as some of them are normal singlecoils in larger casing!

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Lolwut? A P90 is one fat single coil, in a larger casing.
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^ i think he means fender strat-style singles.

agreed with quailman too, i've tried teles with p90s which sounded great, and strats too.
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^ i think he means fender strat-style singles.

agreed with quailman too, i've tried teles with p90s which sounded great, and strats too.
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Another option is a used, discontinued MIJ Fender Aerodyne Telecaster ... they sometimes show up and get snagged on eGay for ~$350.




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I don't know if you can afford them but PRS has some nice SE semi-hollows
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#20
there is a epiphone les paul goldtop with p90s for 400-500 bucks, i saw it somewhere on guitar centers website, thats about the cheapest i know of

they do make sgs with p90s for about 800 too i think(these are gibsons)
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there is a epiphone les paul goldtop with p90s for 400-500 bucks, i saw it somewhere on guitar centers website, thats about the cheapest i know of
They stopped making those last year, sadly.

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Another option is a used, discontinued MIJ Fender Aerodyne Telecaster ... they sometimes show up and get snagged on eGay for ~$350.

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Those (and the Strat version) would have been so damn sweet if the binding had been clean white instead of cream and if the fretboards hadn't had any inlays like the bass version.
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They stopped making those last year, sadly.

Those (and the Strat version) would have been so damn sweet if the binding had been clean white instead of cream and if the fretboards hadn't had any inlays like the bass version.
The bindings are White or Cream and on the Strats and JBasses, they look damn sweet.

#24
It's not white or cream, it's only ever been cream. I know, I had the bass when I thought it'd be white, turned out cream. Sold it pretty much just on that basis.
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#27
Those esp guitars are very interesting, anyone know where i could get hold of one in the uk or how much they are in £'s?
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They stopped making those last year, sadly.



TS could still probably find them in a store as long as it has a decent selection, or if TS wanted to buy used.
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These guitars actually have P-rails in them, which is basically a P-90 with a rail, so it makes the pickup more versitile.
Pickups like that will never sound accurately like a P-90, singlecoil or a humbucker though. It's like those 'humbucker sized P-90s' never sound like a real P-90, or how a 'singlecoil sized humbuckers' never sounds even remotely like a real humbucker.
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Those esp guitars are very interesting, anyone know where i could get hold of one in the uk or how much they are in £'s?


my guess is about £150,000. hey, it's esp/ltd in the UK...
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#32
a few PRS SE models have soapbars, theyre good ive heard
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Pickups like that will never sound accurately like a P-90, singlecoil or a humbucker though. It's like those 'humbucker sized P-90s' never sound like a real P-90, or how a 'singlecoil sized humbuckers' never sounds even remotely like a real humbucker.


singlecoil sized humbuckers still sound a lot like regular humbuckers
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#34
depends on the model- some sound more like humbuckers than others, i haven't tried any which sound exactly like a humbucker, though. and ones like dimarzio virtual vintages (which are technically humbuckers, even though they're aimed at a single-coil tone) sound very close to single coils...

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#35
^^He does that in every thread. Maybe he IS up to something.

About the single sized humbuckers: It's probably daft to make this generalitsation, but to me the higher output ones usually sound very close to normal humbuckers, while lower output ones (like the one I use in my strat) sound more like beefed up single coils. They always retain that single coil "quack" noise and I've never heard any which had the same amount off bass as regular humbuckers. They do have the mids however, so they have plenty of punch and work for most rock applications. I wouldn't recommend a tele with them for a death metal band though...
A problem is that you usually find them on strats and teles, guitars that don't have much bass on offer anyway, so that intensifies the impression that they sound a lot different than regular humbuckers, when comparing them to, let's say, an LP.
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#36
i normally ask that too, but not usually in such an aggressive manner...

that's a good point, though, about the single-coil sized buckers. i imagine the higher output ones are warmer-sounding because of the output (generally that happens with higher output in pickups, i think) while the lower output ones are more open-sounding with more high end, and you're also correct in that they tend to be in strat or tele-type guitars.

though i should add that i've tried plenty of strats and teles (or glorified versions of those, like superstrats) with full-sized humbuckers, and they still sounded like humbuckers. So i'd agree that the strat/tele thing is probably accentuating their single-coil-ness, but not the only cause.

on a similar note, neck position single coil-sized humbuckers seem to sound closer to real humbuckers too, again probably because of the added warmth of that position.

i'd definitely agree that generalisation is normally a bad idea, of course. or is that a generalisation too? o_O

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#37
Yeah, you're right about the super strats and similar guitars with humbuckers. Ah well, my generalisation has already failed me.
The thing about the different positions making the differences more noticable is true, too. The only way to make a single sized hb in the bridge sound remotely like a real one (especially if it has low to medium output) is by cranking the gain and bass controls on your amp and using a big cab. And even then you can still hear a difference.
I've been eyeing a set of Häussel pups for some time now, the guy claims that he made a single sized hb that sounds like a regular one - oh well, he's not the first one to say so, so I'll have to try it in order to believe it.
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#38
it seems we hijacked TS' thread

either way, i plan on getting a fender mustang eventually(wont be for a while), but when i eventually do get one, i considered putting a single spaced humbucker in there. I like the single coil tone though, so i ask, can i find one with the output of a humbucker but the traditional single coil sound?
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#39
That'll be hard. The pickup manufacturers claim that some of their HBs sound like single coils, though I haven't heard one so far that actually did. They always have way more mids, so they always remind me of humbuckers. There are beefed up single coils though, which can have plenty of output, but also won't sound just like a louder "normal" single coil. They have more mids and bass, not as much as an HB, but still a considerable amount more.

The best thing you can do is probably listening to as many sound clips as possible and maybe you'll find a tonal compromise that works for you.


You might want to have a look at EMG single coils, too. They sound like really fat single coils and have plenty of output. I still liked them for clean and low gain sounds though, they're pretty versatile it seems.
#40
^^ depends... the hotter they get, the less they'll sound like single coils, kind of thing, that's the problem. the dimarzio virtual vintage noiseless single coils sound pretty close to "real" single coils (as close as i've tried, at any rate), but they might not have enough output...

EMGs... I did like the EMG single coils I've tried (in a musicman luke), again not certain if they're hot enough, though.

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(a) Yeah, you're right about the super strats and similar guitars with humbuckers. Ah well, my generalisation has already failed me.
(b) The thing about the different positions making the differences more noticable is true, too. The only way to make a single sized hb in the bridge sound remotely like a real one (especially if it has low to medium output) is by cranking the gain and bass controls on your amp and using a big cab. And even then you can still hear a difference.
(c) I've been eyeing a set of Häussel pups for some time now, the guy claims that he made a single sized hb that sounds like a regular one - oh well, he's not the first one to say so, so I'll have to try it in order to believe it.

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(a) haha! to be fair, you made a good point (and i hadn't thought of it before), just i think that's only adding to the effect, rather than being the only reason.

(b) yep. for example, a hot rail in the bridge sounds nothing like a full-size HB (any i've tried, anyway), but the neck version, while not perfect, isn't a million miles away. granted they have different models for neck and bridge too, so that's probably not the only thing at play...

(c) yeah, i know, there are so many claims being bandied about that generally you shouldn't believe it unless you try it. i've only tried hauessel full-size humbuckers (in a huber), they seemed pretty nice.

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