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Hey Everybody, i was wondering if you guys could help me out. So my mom just barged in and went on and on about how i shouldn't play First Person Shooter games because it is wrong, and when i said it's not real she said then if this isn't real doesn't that make pornography ok too by that judgement? We're Christians so don't argue the porno thing i'm just wondering how would you argue and seperate the two?
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Well pornography IS real
Most of the time
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Well pornography IS real
Most of the time

Exactly what I was thinking...

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lol... Like srsly are you like 12 ? Tell your mom to GTFO.
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Yeah...porn is real people. FPS games are a bunch of 1's and 0's flashing across your screen. No one actually dies in FPS games. But in porn...well...

In all seriousness though, it doesn't matter how good your argument is. She's your mom. You can't win an argument with your mom.
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lol... Like srsly are you like 12 ? Tell your mom to GTFO.


well aren't you just the little fuckin rebel.

research the stuff and come back with some intelligent debate. parents often find it hard to come back after someone actually puts in a good argument.
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Frag her.

LOL or AK her in the face. But aside from that, the fact is, games are not real, but they are based (most of the time, coughWoWcough) on real life. I'd agree with her if the game you're playing is gonna make you go out and shoot some people in the face >.> but I doubt you're that impressionable.
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Several major studies by groups such as The Harvard Medical School Center for Mental Health, The Journal of Adolescent Health, and The British Medical Journal have shown no conclusive link between video game usage and violent activity.


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Yeah...porn is real people. FPS games are a bunch of 1's and 0's flashing across your screen. No one actually dies in FPS games. But in porn...well...

In all seriousness though, it doesn't matter how good your argument is. She's your mom. You can't win an argument with your mom.


This man speaks the truth
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Several major studies by groups such as The Harvard Medical School Center for Mental Health, The Journal of Adolescent Health, and The British Medical Journal have shown no conclusive link between video game usage and violent activity.

well, look at mr. scientific research here with his conclusive results.


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Thanks guys, hopefully it'll go down well. Oh and Spellcaster, it's called respect.
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That citation of a study is nice stuff, but I don't expect a Christian mother to listen to facts, and simply accept it.

If you can ignore the big bang, and evolution [ things also presented with more than enough evidence ], a little study about video games might be just as easy to ignore.
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Put it this way man, First Person Shooter games are fictional interactive data created BY humans. I'm not sure how big the whole christian influence in your family (I'm an atheist personally, but I'm not gonna start an arguement about that or anything so don't worry) but from what I can tell your God gave you the right to freedom of mind - leaving you to do as you wish in the first place and seek forgiveness later (not that playing FPS's is what you would call a sinful act, I mean look at the crusades).

Anyways I guess a few valid points are that A) it isn't real, unlike pornography (unless its animated pr0nz I guess), the interactivity in these games is entirely made up and nothing you do on the game actually has any influence on what goes on in the real world that matters (I spose unless you're some sort of crazy mofo who takes everything they see as reality and as a result you go out and shoot a thousand people and go: YES NEW HIGH SCORE).

B) Seperating the two is easy, one has ridiculous amounts of exposure and revealing images (which we all love) that can easily compromise ones 'soul.'

An FPS is a totally animated, fictional, often unrealistic violence that holds very little to no resemblence of actual events. Everytime I headshot someone on Counterstrike its not like I just killed a man on the other side of the computer and life has been taken, I have simply relocated some data on an online server to another spot (the dead team).

In porno when someone gets it on they are actually getting it on (most of the time rofl) and everything has a cause and effect relationship, people are actually selling themselves to the camera.


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research the stuff and come back with some intelligent debate. parents often find it hard to come back after someone actually puts in a good argument.

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Put it this way man, First Person Shooter games are fictional interactive data created BY humans. I'm not sure how big the whole christian influence in your family (I'm an atheist personally, but I'm not gonna start an arguement about that or anything so don't worry) but from what I can tell your God gave you the right to freedom of mind - leaving you to do as you wish in the first place and seek forgiveness later (not that playing FPS's is what you would call a sinful act, I mean look at the crusades).

Anyways I guess a few valid points are that A) it isn't real, unlike pornography (unless its animated pr0nz I guess), the interactivity in these games is entirely made up and nothing you do on the game actually has any influence on what goes on in the real world that matters (I spose unless you're some sort of crazy mofo who takes everything they see as reality and as a result you go out and shoot a thousand people and go: YES NEW HIGH SCORE).

B) Seperating the two is easy, one has ridiculous amounts of exposure and revealing images (which we all love) that can easily compromise ones 'soul.'

An FPS is a totally animated, fictional, often unrealistic violence that holds very little to no resemblence of actual events. Everytime I headshot someone on Counterstrike its not like I just killed a man on the other side of the computer and life has been taken, I have simply relocated some data on an online server to another spot (the dead team).

In porno when someone gets it on they are actually getting it on (most of the time rofl) and everything has a cause and effect relationship, people are actually selling themselves to the camera.


I've said my piece. *returns to vampire like state of eternal readiness*


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just say "seriously mum... ill knife you."
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#24
everyone is intelligent enough to understand a game from reality and to differentiate the two. there is a rare psychological disorder that makes it where you cant differentiate the two, imagine a permanent shell shock.
#25
You leant valuable life lessons from FPS games. Such as everyone runs faster with a knife.
#27
if your mom believes in creationism.
if god made it, then it should be fine for everyone. Right?
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If you can ignore the big bang, and evolution [ things also presented with more than enough evidence ], a little study about video games might be just as easy to ignore.

This man speaks the truth.
#29
the hell is up with all of the anti-christian talk?

i was under the impression from people on this site that atheists never propose that God doesn't exist. +1 for hypocrites

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if your mom believes in creationism.
if god made it, then it should be fine for everyone. Right?


but God didn't make it, humans did.

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If you can ignore the big bang, and evolution [ things also presented with more than enough evidence ], a little study about video games might be just as easy to ignore.


you know...not all Christians ignore science. to think so is a gross generalization.

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Well, your both Christian. So you believe in something that isn't real.


how can you be so sure?

and now that the can of worms has been successfully opened...

video games aren't real and unless you're mentally challenged you should be able to differentiate a game from reality.
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the hell is up with all of the anti-christian talk?

i was under the impression from people on this site that atheists never propose that God doesn't exist. +1 for hypocrites

No one in this thread (or no serious intelligent atheist) has claimed that god doesn't exist for sure.

but God didn't make it, humans did.

That guy's post doesn't even make grammatical sense. I would tend to ignore people like that when arguing a serious point.

you know...not all Christians ignore science. to think so is a gross generalization.

Religious people more often than atheists have a hard time accepting what is deemed scientific truth (evolution being a prime example).

how can you be so sure?

Again, surely you've learnt from the Pit that half the posts here are obnoxious, poorly written insults against a large group of people? I don't blame you though; it can be hard to differentiate between those and the better half of the posts here.
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No one in this thread has claimed that god doesn't exist.


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Religious people more often than atheists have a hard time accepting what is deemed scientific truth (evolution being a prime example).


that can go both ways you know, there are Christians that choose to believe in science and there are atheists that choose not to believe in evolution, or science in general.


Again, don't attack those who can't even put across their point in a coherent way, please. They're weak .


meh, i'm not attacking i'm merely expressing my annoyance.

oh and just for the record, i'm not a religious...i'm just playing devil's advocate because i think too many people are very vocal on their anti-religious views. something that i really can't stomach.
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that can go both ways you know, there are Christians that choose to believe in science and there are atheists that choose not to believe in evolution, or science in general.

True. I think you know and agree with me already, however, that my point in general was that religion is inherently anti-science and vice versa, and a huge amount of religious people are in some ways holding back science by not believing the evidence that is put in front of them.

oh and just for the record, i'm not a religious...i'm just playing devil's advocate because i think too many people are very vocal on their anti-religious views. something that i really can't stomach.

If I took this forum seriously, I'd have given up on life a long time ago. I think there's a nice balance of viewpoints among the educated community though.

Hm, nice talking with ya.
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#34
I never said God didn't exist.

I merely stated, and this is based purely on personal experiences, that Christians, and other people of religion, tend to argue evolution with the idea of creationism. -I- have no proof of either being true or not.

However, I am an atheist, and since my argument has plausible, and testable evidence, I will with clear conscience continue supporting my ideals, just as a Christian is entitled to support their ideals.

Also, I'd like to ask why people of varying beliefs are gross ' hypocrites ' for questioning your God? There are many, many faiths on this earth, and do you not discard them for your own?

Look past yourself, people.
#35
fps's arent real..they're just to have some fun, no one really gets hurt. unless ur already a bit messed up i doubt u'll be affected by them or w/e....and the porn comparison by ur mum doesn't make sense tbh..
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#36
lol sorry guys.... im exhausted...
i think i would rather kill people in any way in a video game rather than in real life.
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lol sorry guys.... im exhausted...
i think i would rather kill people in any way in a video game rather than in real life.

Yea. Disposing of evidence in rl is messy and time consuming. Never played an fps where you have to actually handle bodies.
#39
Also, on the topic of porn.

Sex is a natural act. Enjoying it, and it many facets, is natural. Without sex, you wouldn't exist.

Why is violence so much more acceptable than that anyway?
#40
because look whats on the news everyday. also now your starting to get into religion, specifically Christianity and one of its many extensions.
take a world religion and it will answer your sex question ReeseKillsHIV.
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