#1
hey, I've got a question which has been bugging me for a while. If the proper definition of irony is when a speaker says one thing but means another then what is the correct term for the common meaning? you know, the one that the grammar nazis get so angry about.
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I believe what we call irony is really sarcasm and what we call sarcasm is really irony. But I could be wrong.
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#6
Most likely, an improbable occurence which has been mentioned in some way before happening, or has some relation to a current situation.

Now, can someone explain the difference between facetiousness and sarcasm? I'm still trying to get to grips with that one.
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#9
I do not understand. Perhaps a dictionary would help you in this quest for enlightenment?
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#11
Carlin said it much better than I, with my Bachelors in English, ever could:

Irony deals with opposites; it has nothing to do with coincidence. If two baseball palyers from the same hometown, on different teams, receive the same uniform number, it is not ironic. It is a coincidence. If Barry Bonds attains lifetime statistics identical to his father’s it will not be ironic. It will be a coincidence. Irony is "a state of affairs that is the reverse of what was to be expected; a result opposite to and in mockery of the appropriate result." For instance:

* If a diabetic, on his way to buy insulin, is killed by a runaway truck, he is the victim of an accident. If the truck was delivering sugar, he is the victim of an oddly poetic coincidence. But if the truck was delivering insulin, ah! Then he is the victim of an irony.

* If a Kurd, after surviving bloody battle with Saddam Hussein’s army and a long, difficult escape through the mountains, is crushed and killed by a parachute drop of humanitarian aid, that, my friend, is irony writ large.

* Darryl Stingley, the pro football player, was paralyzed after a brutal hit by Jack Tatum. Now Darryl Stingley’s son plays football, and if the son should become paralyzed while playing, it will not be ironic. It will be coincidental. If Darryl Stingley’s son paralyzes someone else, that will be closer to ironic. If he paralyzes Jack Tatum’s son that will be precisely ironic.

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#12
irony is when the opposite of what is expected happens. grammar nazis flip out when people say something is ironic when actually the correct term is coincidental. for example, me and my friend both wearing the same shirt to school is coincidental. a man wading through floodwaters with an umbrella is ironic.
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I believe what we call irony is really sarcasm and what we call sarcasm is really irony. But I could be wrong.


according to wikipedia Sarcasm is a form of ironic speech or writing which is bitter or cutting, being intended to taunt its target

so it seems the first part of your statement isn't entirely accurate

EDIT: ok, thanks guys. That kind of helps, especially the carlin thing. however, "an oddly poetic coincidence" is slightly harder to say than "ironic"
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according to wikipedia Sarcasm is a form of ironic speech or writing which is bitter or cutting, being intended to taunt its target

so it seems the first part of your statement isn't entirely accurate

hence the disclaimer
#17
wait....theres grammer nazi now? damn 1st the jews now they going after the blacks, when will they learn
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#18
A man quit his job becuase he wasnt getting enough pay, the manager had planned to surprise him with a pay rise the day after he left.

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hey, I've got a question which has been bugging me for a while. If the proper definition of irony is when a speaker says one thing but means another then what is the correct term for the common meaning? you know, the one that the grammar nazis get so angry about.

There is no definition for it... the common term for it is irony; use that.

The correct definition for saying something and being misunderstood by everyone should be 'ballsing it up'
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#20
I find it ironic that you could not use some sort of search bar or search engine to find the answer.
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#21
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He won the lottery and died the next day


ironically, that song has nothing to do with irony. It's just really poor luck

sarcasm is intended as an insult or to hurt. i.e.

Person 1: Do you want some help with that?
Person 2: No, I want you to cut my arms and legs off with a chainsaw.

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#22
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I find it ironic that you could not use some sort of search bar or search engine to find the answer.


I consider it an oddly poetic coincidence that you are posting in a thread about the definition of irony when you seem to lack a grasp of that very subject

I should have mentioned that I used the search bar and found nothing, also, I would have googled it had I known what to look up, but had I know the term to look up, I would have had no reason to google it or start this thread in the first place. correct me if I'm wrong, but that is ironic
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#23
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good advice, that you just didnt take..


but anyway an example I heard today:

A group about safe driving couldnt make it to the seminar because they crashed the car.. or some **** like that

apparently americans aren't supposed to get irony.. yet their irony is our sarcasm?? wtf?!

also.. sarcasm is supposed to be like one of the lowest forms of wit.. which I have in abundance(sarcasm, not wit..)
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#24
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I consider it an oddly poetic coincidence that you are posting in a thread about the definition of irony when you seem to lack a grasp of that very subject

I should have mentioned that I used the search bar and found nothing, also, I would have googled it had I known what to look up, but had I know the term to look up, I would have had no reason to google it or start this thread in the first place. correct me if I'm wrong, but that is ironic

yeah, thats not ironic at all..

and in google couldnt you have just searched "Irony"? since that is the thread title?
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#25
There are three types of irony: Verbal Irony (sarcasm), Dramatic Irony (when, in a play or book, the audience or the reader knows something that the character don't), and Situational Irony (normal irony, as in eye doctor goes blind, firefighter dies in a fire, doctor gets dreadfully ill..etc.)
#26
Irony is giving yourself a paper cut with a plaster.

Carrying a bag inside a bag is ironic I believe.

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#27
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yeah, thats not ironic at all..

and in google couldnt you have just searched "Irony"? since that is the thread title?


Oh well, I tried.

I don't think "irony?" would have returned anything that would answer my question
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#28
Irony is... Well, Irony. It's hard to explain.

The best way to understand irony is to listen to the Alanis Morisette song "Ironic". You see, the ironic thing is that Alanis Morisette wouldn't know the meaning of irony if it bit her on the ass.
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Irony is... Well, Irony. It's hard to explain.

The best way to understand irony is to listen to the Alanis Morisette song "Ironic". You see, the ironic thing is that Alanis Morisette wouldn't know the meaning of irony if it bit her on the ass.


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The only thing ironic about that song is nothing said in it is actually ironic.

thats what Ive always thought everytime I listen to that song.
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#31
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Carrying a bag inside a bag is ironic I believe.

Yo dawg, I heard you like bags, so I put a bag in your bag so you can carry shit while you carry shit.
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#32
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I consider it an oddly poetic coincidence that you are posting in a thread about the definition of irony when you seem to lack a grasp of that very subject

I should have mentioned that I used the search bar and found nothing, also, I would have googled it had I known what to look up, but had I know the term to look up, I would have had no reason to google it or start this thread in the first place. correct me if I'm wrong, but that is ironic


Not so much.

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There are three types of irony: Verbal Irony (sarcasm), Dramatic Irony (when, in a play or book, the audience or the reader knows something that the character don't), and Situational Irony (normal irony, as in eye doctor goes blind, firefighter dies in a fire, doctor gets dreadfully ill..etc.)


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#33
A bunch of idiots dancing on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash.

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A bunch of idiots dancing on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash.

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#35
There are different forms of irony. Sarcasm is indeed a lower form of it, but most people on the internet like to make their e-penises look large by trying to be clever and actually caring that it's not irony in its true form. Anyone who actually needs to assert that they're right and other people are wrong about things like that seriously needs to get a real life, imo
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RIP Carlin.
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#37
Proper definition here we go english class:
Irony is when something totally unexpected happens or when something totally opposite to what one might think would happen happens.
#38
Irony - using the opposite of what you mean to express a point. It's rather tricky to explain so it's best just to use examples, as one guy gave earlier, wading through flood waters carrying an unbrella.

Sarcasm is using irony to insult someone.

TS, I think it's time you invested in a dictionary, a good one.
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