#1
I am looking to buy this guitar but am having difficulty confirming the details:



I am told by the seller it is a 1984 Strat, and I have checked the serial number confirming it was produced in the Corona plant from 1984-1988.

However, my understanding is that in mid-1983, the Corona plant switched over from the Smith Strat I's to the Smith Strat II's. This is clearly not a II as they were 2-knob and had a flush mount for the jack right on the pick-guard.

I then thought it might be a '62 reissue 1984 but I have looked these up and they did not have the 'skink line' down the back of the neck and this one does. (It is a C neck.)

It is four bolt neck too which ties to the Smith I's. Also odd is the pick-guard looks to be 3-ply but didn't the Smith Strat's all come with 1-ply?

Finally, the bridge is completely off for a '62 reissue (I believe) and looks more like a Smith Strat I.

Seller says it is the OHC, a black rectangular fender hard case.

Any help is appreciated.
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#4
maybe he changed the pickgaurd? (and prolly the pups too...)
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#5
could be an 86 with a holdover neck. I'm pretty sure that bridge wasn't used until 86. The 83-85's should have a 3 way switch, volume, tone and output on the pickgaurd with a 6 point bridge, IIRC.

I have no idea what these "Smith strats" are you refer to, but... that thing screams 86-2008 MIA Standard to me.

edit: simple solution: pop the neck off.

edit, the seller's lying, flat out: carona factory opened in 86, strats all had 21 fret necks till 86, 83-85 strats didn't have the football jack, they didn't have a two point bridge like that until 86. Seriel numbers for fenders past 78 start with a letter, that letter designates the decade, the first number designates the specific year. Also, is the logo silver? In 86 they started using a silver logo with a black outline, like you'd see on MIM's till 08.

That answer your question?
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Last edited by Thomme at Feb 10, 2009,
#6
to me, all strats look exactly the same... squier, fender, SX, affinity, american standard...
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#7
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to me, all strats look exactly the same... squier, fender, SX, affinity, american standard...



I have no clue about the guitar, but it looks nice enough.

Maybe he's just not sure? I'm not even sure what year i started playing, and that wasnt that long ago.
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#8
He said he got it in 1984 but then again a lot of people lie.
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#9
Quote by Thomme
edit, the seller's lying, flat out: carona factory opened in 86, strats all had 21 fret necks till 86, 83-85 strats didn't have the football jack, they didn't have a two point bridge like that until 86. Seriel numbers for fenders past 78 start with a letter, that letter designates the decade, the first number designates the specific year. Also, is the logo silver? In 86 they started using a silver logo with a black outline, like you'd see on MIM's till 08.

That answer your question?


I hate showing this but here is the headstock with serial number:



Note that there serial number clearly corresponds to 1984-1988 Corona plant. The logo looks silver to me with black outline. I am with you--I am guessing this is a 1986-1988 "American Stratocaster". If so, it's worth a lot less than a 1983/84. I just bought a never played 1987 Strat below $1000 last week. This guy wants $1500.
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#10
yeah, that thing is 100% post 1986, not doubt about it.
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#11
Quote by Thomme
yeah, that thing is 100% post 1986, not doubt about it.


That's what I am guessing. 1986-88 model. Does the bridge conform to that period?

(My 1987 I just bought is not here yet or else I could confirm it.)
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#12
Quote by jcoley2
That's what I am guessing. 1986-88 model. Does the bridge conform to that period?

(My 1987 I just bought is not here yet or else I could confirm it.)

buddy, everything on that strat confirms a 1986-92 MIA Standard Strat.
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#13
I'm not in any way suggesting that the information you're getting here is bad. But when we're talking about the sums of money that you mentioned previously, wouldn't it be better to contact Fender themselves and a have a chat with someone who can give you the correct information?
#14
I am going to have him pull the neck today and shoot me a picture. That would narrow things down.
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#15
Quote by Free
I'm not in any way suggesting that the information you're getting here is bad. But when we're talking about the sums of money that you mentioned previously, wouldn't it be better to contact Fender themselves and a have a chat with someone who can give you the correct information?

But, everything I've said is accurate. I know my strats and Fender basses. Besides, the people at Fender know less than a lot on this forum, when it comes to dating guitars and bass in the 70's and 80's.
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#16
It's not worth $1500.00 regardless! The PUs aren't Lace Sensors and may be standard Fenders. Do you know if it came with the hipshot tremsetter or has the locking tuners too? I sold my '93 MIA deluxe for just under $1000.00 which is $150.00 less than I paid for it new and a fair price. If this guy bought it in '86 he paid less than $1K!
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#17
Quote by KenG
It's not worth $1500.00 regardless! The PUs aren't Lace Sensors and may be standard Fenders. Do you know if it came with the hipshot tremsetter or has the locking tuners too? !

I believe they are standard and no hipshot. Given it is probably a 1986 it is worth closer to $500-600.
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#18
For American in good shape $600 is not a bad price!
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#19
Interestingly, I have not heard back from him. He told me he would take the neck off and get me the date stamp yesterday. I be willing to bet he found out it was not a 1984 and now he is pissed at his friend whom he bought it from 15 years ago.

Thanks to everyone in here for the help. . .if I heard something more, I will let you know.
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#20
Ok, got the answer tonight. . . drum roll. . . . .


. . . .1987.


Now that makes sense.
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#21
Quote by jcoley2
Ok, got the answer tonight. . . drum roll. . . . .


. . . .1987.


Now that makes sense.

congrats did he send the picture?
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#22
Quote by danyellenik
congrats did he send the picture?

haha, he might be lying again! you never know!
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