Page 1 of 4
#1
This is insane! Basically, New Hampshire is trying to pass legislation, saying the Federal Government has overstepped their bounds, and are infringing on State's Rights.

http://patdollard.com/2009/02/new-hampshire-fires-first-shot-of-civil-war-resolution-immediately-voids-several-federal-laws-threatens-counterstrike-against-breach-of-peace/#comment-386205

Discuss
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#3
You'd think we'd have learned from the Civil War...

And even if they pass legislation, I doubt the Federal Government is gonna piss it's pants because New Hampshire is upset
Check out my band Disturbed
#4
Quote by StewieSwan
You'd think we'd have learned from the Civil War...

And even if they pass legislation, I doubt the Federal Government is gonna piss it's pants because New Hampshire is upset


It's not just New Hampshire.

"So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#5
this happens from time to time, they won't pass, because if they declare sovereignty they won't get federal aid, actually I think that's part of the plan, it's an attempt to scare the feds into giving them more money.

Also, both of the sites linked are pretty far right, so they are going to give crap like this much more weight than it actually deserves.
make Industrial and/or experimental electronic music? Join my group!

Last.fm
Last edited by Kid_Thorazine at Feb 11, 2009,
#6
Could this mean the USA could split into smaller countries?!

Or am I just stupid?
Sunn O))):
Quote by Doppelgänger
You could always just sleep beside your refrigerator.

Guitar:
- Ibanez S670FM w/ JB
- Fender 'Lite Ash' Stratocaster
- Fender '72 Deluxe Telecaster
- Arbiter LP Jr. Doublecut
Amp:
- Laney VC15

'72 Tele Appreciation Group
RIP DIO
#7
Quote by Simsimius
Could this mean the USA could split into smaller countries?!

Or am I just stupid?


It could, but it's not going to happen, all of the states rely far too much on federal infrastructure for that to be practical.
make Industrial and/or experimental electronic music? Join my group!

Last.fm
#8
Quote by Kid_Thorazine
It could, but it's not going to happen, all of the states rely far too much on federal infrastructure for that to be practical.


I hope it doesn't happen.
I don't give much for the US, but I'd rather have them as a dominant world superpower then any other major country [as in, out of them, Russia and China, etc.].
Sunn O))):
Quote by Doppelgänger
You could always just sleep beside your refrigerator.

Guitar:
- Ibanez S670FM w/ JB
- Fender 'Lite Ash' Stratocaster
- Fender '72 Deluxe Telecaster
- Arbiter LP Jr. Doublecut
Amp:
- Laney VC15

'72 Tele Appreciation Group
RIP DIO
#9
Is this the states reacting to Obama?
General question here, I honestly don't know
#10
Quote by tushmeister
Is this the states reacting to Obama?
General question here, I honestly don't know


It's hardcore conservatives in some states reacting to Obama, all of these bills resolutions will likely die in session, probably not even getting a floor vote.
make Industrial and/or experimental electronic music? Join my group!

Last.fm
#11
i would say that new hampshire is correct. i mean really look at why and how america was founded... states wanted to be independent and decide thier own rules. and now the states are pretty much a joke.... this really pisses me off.
btw, im taking over part of canada to start my own country of metal, anyone want to join me? lol
#12
Quote by Kid_Thorazine
It's hardcore conservatives in some states reacting to Obama, all of these bills resolutions will likely die in session, probably not even getting a floor vote.


Figured as much
Thanks for filling me in though
#13
Quote by tushmeister
Is this the states reacting to Obama?
General question here, I honestly don't know


They're reacting to the Federal Government having too much power. The economic stimulus plan that Obama is trying to put into effect, along with drug and gun laws pushed them over the edge. In the constitution, it states you the right to bear arms, and also anything not in the constitution (I.E. drug laws) falls under the states. The Federal Government is trying to put a ban on illegal drugs and legally, they can not, it has to be the states.
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#14
Quote by Kid_Thorazine
It's hardcore conservatives in some states reacting to Obama, all of these bills resolutions will likely die in session, probably not even getting a floor vote.


but new hampshire and hawaii are two of the most liberal states out there. or have i been lied to my whole life?
Quote by guitarxo
I had a dream about your avatar once, so yes of course.

Quote by Bladez22


every time i see that twirling electrode avatar of yours I know that the post is worth reading or the link is worth clicking


#15
Quote by megobro
i would say that new hampshire is correct. i mean really look at why and how america was founded... states wanted to be independent and decide thier own rules. and now the states are pretty much a joke.... this really pisses me off.
btw, im taking over part of canada to start my own country of metal, anyone want to join me? lol


America was founded as colonies of the British Empire. They wanted to become a country. So they did. What's your point?

Besides, the whole "state's rights" thing has been debated since the country started. It caused the Civil War, incase you didn't know. And throughout history, it's clear that 1 unified government is stronger and more successful than a bunch of little ones.
Check out my band Disturbed
#16
Quote by StewieSwan
America was founded as colonies of the British Empire. They wanted to become a country. So they did. What's your point?

Besides, the whole "state's rights" thing has been debated since the country started. It caused the Civil War, incase you didn't know. And throughout history, it's clear that 1 unified government is stronger and more successful than a bunch of little ones.


But according to the foundation of the Constitution, it IS one unified government, governed by smaller State Governments.
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#17
Quote by StewieSwan
America was founded as colonies of the British Empire. They wanted to become a country. So they did. What's your point?

Besides, the whole "state's rights" thing has been debated since the country started. It caused the Civil War, incase you didn't know. And throughout history, it's clear that 1 unified government is stronger and more successful than a bunch of little ones.


yes i understand this.
but once america was founded, it was split into states that functioned very independantly. i also realize that a unified gov. is far more strong, but it just seems like the states are no longer... just landmarks. i personally think it was the right of the southern states (be it that they were dicks about slavery) to leave the union...
#18
i would like to go to jeopardy, as there are jobs there!
??? Fund: cba to keep up with it.
will at least try when I get a jerb
੧_\\\

yours,

Alex (mcfreaki)
#19
Quote by fearofthemark
but new hampshire and hawaii are two of the most liberal states out there. or have i been lied to my whole life?


doesn't mean there aren't a few conservatives (or libertarians as the case may be) in the state legislature.
make Industrial and/or experimental electronic music? Join my group!

Last.fm
#21
Question:

As a non-American (not anti-American) why can't the whole bloody thing stick to the Constitution and original agreements? Not counting the whole civil rights thing, etc. Just that the Fed do what the Fed were created to do, and give individual State government the ability and freedom (not lack of support) to run their States effectively?

Note that all the points made by me above may contradict each other but, as I said, I am NOT American so please, enlighten me
#22
Quote by diesiraex
Question:

As a non-American (not anti-American) why can't the whole bloody thing stick to the Constitution and original agreements? Not counting the whole civil rights thing, etc. Just that the Fed do what the Fed were created to do, and give individual State government the ability and freedom (not lack of support) to run their States effectively?

Note that all the points made by me above may contradict each other but, as I said, I am NOT American so please, enlighten me


Because when it comes to certain laws, the Federal Government thinks they should have the right to regulate them, even though it's against the constitution. For example, drug laws, the right to a militia, the right to bear arms, stuff like that. The Fed. Gov't is trying to ban drugs, ban certain weapons and tax them inappropriately, and they already took away states rights to have a militia.
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#23
Quote by diesiraex
Question:

As a non-American (not anti-American) why can't the whole bloody thing stick to the Constitution and original agreements? Not counting the whole civil rights thing, etc. Just that the Fed do what the Fed were created to do, and give individual State government the ability and freedom (not lack of support) to run their States effectively?

Note that all the points made by me above may contradict each other but, as I said, I am NOT American so please, enlighten me


because the world has changed quite a bit since the 18th century. Also we learned a lot from the U.S. civil war and then dealing with people like Brigham Young about how much leeway you can give the states before you start having problems.

Quote by crackhutch
Because when it comes to certain laws, the Federal Government thinks they should have the right to regulate them, even though it's against the constitution. For example, drug laws, the right to a militia, the right to bear arms, stuff like that. The Fed. Gov't is trying to ban drugs, ban certain weapons and tax them inappropriately, and they already took away states rights to have a militia.


no they haven't, the national guard in each state still answers to the governor of that state.
make Industrial and/or experimental electronic music? Join my group!

Last.fm
Last edited by Kid_Thorazine at Feb 11, 2009,
#24
Quote by crackhutch
Because when it comes to certain laws, the Federal Government thinks they should have the right to regulate them, even though it's against the constitution. For example, drug laws, the right to a militia, the right to bear arms, stuff like that. The Fed. Gov't is trying to ban drugs, ban certain weapons and tax them inappropriately, and they already took away states rights to have a militia.



And sticking to a bunch of laws written back when half the country was unexplored is a better idea?

Proggress demands change. We no long need a state militia. There aren't any more 'indians' to fight off.
Check out my band Disturbed
#25
Quote by Kid_Thorazine
because the world has changed quite a bit since the 18th century. Also we learned a lot from the U.S. civil war and then dealing with people like Brigham Young about how much leeway you can give the states before you start having problems.


no they haven't, the national guard in each state still answers to the governor of that state.


Either way, I agree, states don't need a militia but that doesn't mean the Federal Government has the right to take that away. It's the principle of it, the fact that the Federal Government has become too powerful and needs to fall in line.
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#26
Quote by crackhutch
The Federal Government is trying to put a ban on illegal drugs and legally, they can not, it has to be the states.


I'm pretty sure illegal drugs are already banned, brah
#28
basically i wouldn't have a problem with a centralized gov. if they didnt impose RETARDED CRAP! such as (said above) gun laws (people who actually go and buy guns through the proper channels, doing all paperwork and registration DONT commit gun crimes), and wellfare/socialism of any kind (why should i pay for others to no longer be self sufficient citizens... yay for rewarding laziness. and yes it is laziness if you have been on for longer than 6 months)
#29
Quote by Dionietzsche
I'm pretty sure illegal drugs are already banned, brah


But they are banned by the Federal Government, under the Constitution, they can't do it. It has to fall under the states.
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#30
Quote by crackhutch
But they are banned by the Federal Government, under the Constitution, they can't do it. It has to fall under the states.


I'm totally with you on any pro-drug argument, I'm just saying this battle was fought and lost long ago and isn't really a current thing like your post implied. I like your principals but they're too idealistic to work in our current society; the sheep still need the shepherds, if you get what I mean. Sorry I can't articulate further, its too late for me to be thinking.
#31
Quote by Dionietzsche
I'm totally with you on any pro-drug argument, I'm just saying this battle was fought and lost long ago and isn't really a current thing like your post implied. I like your principals but they're too idealistic to work in our current society; the sheep still need the shepherds, if you get what I mean. Sorry I can't articulate further, its too late for me to be thinking.


I know what you mean, it's just like what happened with the drinking age. The Federal Government said, if the states don't change the drinking age to 21, they lose funding for Highways. It was basically blackmail but they got away with it.
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#32
which is exactly why every country needs a good ol' fashioned revolution every now and again....
#33
Quote by megobro
which is exactly why every country needs a good ol' fashioned revolution every now and again....


Live Free or Die, probably the best state motto there is.

"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#34
pretty sure that our so called freedom here in america is a myth.... i mean seriously... what can we do that everyone else cant? print anything we like? yay.....
#35
Quote by megobro
pretty sure that our so called freedom here in america is a myth.... i mean seriously... what can we do that everyone else cant? print anything we like? yay.....


Well...technically we're supposed to be allowed to own guns also. >.>
"Ignorance runs rampant through this virus we call life, dead one day, alive the next, never breaking a stride. As I take it all in and realize, nothing we do can stop it, I release the hatred from my eyes, only to feel it within."
#36
exactly... but seems like every right we once had is gone out the window. capitalism seems to be on the way out aswell. when that happens, im getting out.
#37
Nothing will happen, regardless of what rights are being violated here. The states are more bankrupt than the fed right now, and in no way can any of them survive without federal funding right now.

If any state was to try something stupid right now, they'd quickly find themselves screwed.
#38
pretty sure we are on the way out... we peaked and now its time for america to fade out. i still hold the ideals of the founding fathers close, but as for the actual country of america... i have lost faith in it. something new and better will take its place eventually.
#39
Quote by crackhutch
I know what you mean, it's just like what happened with the drinking age. The Federal Government said, if the states don't change the drinking age to 21, they lose funding for Highways. It was basically blackmail but they got away with it.


...capitalist pigs...

Quote by megobro
which is exactly why every country needs a good ol' fashioned revolution every now and again....


Oh fuck yes. This thread is bringing out the Marxist in me. But the capitalist needs sleep so he can go to class tomorrow, otherwise how will I ever achieve a high income and social status?

One of these revolutions we'll get it right.
#40
i dont think capitalism is the problem here... pretty sure its the whole (corruption)/(do anything to get votes from morons) thats a problem....
i want a revolution... but i want to just weed out morons and keep capitalism hahahaha
Page 1 of 4