#1
So I'm in a band with another guitarist, and as far as chemistry goes, we're pretty good friends and like the same music. I've never tried writing with another guitarist, I've always preferred to handle it all myself...I need to know some things.

How does one harmonize? It'll be a death/metal core band, so some riffs will obviously be harmony heavy. I can't remember how 3rds and 5ths go, but I vaguely remember you count 3-5 frets up from the note you're playing, or some ****.

What are some other things we should work on? I don't want the band to fall apart because neither of us have much experience working with guitars, so any tips are appreciated
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#2
if you harmonize in 3ths you go 2 frets up 4th's 3 frets 5th's 4 frets
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#3
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So I'm in a band with another guitarist, and as far as chemistry goes, we're pretty good friends and like the same music. I've never tried writing with another guitarist, I've always preferred to handle it all myself...I need to know some things.

How does one harmonize? It'll be a death/metal core band, so some riffs will obviously be harmony heavy. I can't remember how 3rds and 5ths go, but I vaguely remember you count 3-5 frets up from the note you're playing, or some ****.

What are some other things we should work on? I don't want the band to fall apart because neither of us have much experience working with guitars, so any tips are appreciated



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you count 3 or five notes up the key your in. not just frets.So in A minor if one of you played an A then the other could play C as the 3rd or E as the 5th.
#4
I guess you could stick to the notes of the chords to start off with...then branch out a bit when you start to get a feel for what you're playing.
#5
You need to understand theory and know your scales to be able to harmonise. Usually in diatonic 3rds, 4ths and 5ths. usually, the main melody plays, and the other guitar harmonises a 4th below, or a 3rd/5th above, but you need to choose which to harmonise in.

Also, don't constantly harmonise because it gets dull very quick. You need a strong lead playing, with a strong rhythm playing full chords with a bit less gain (as apposed to distortion heavy power chords). That way, you get a good backbone to the song. Again, you need theory to know what chords you can use and what scales will work over it.

Also, you say you have chemistry between you? That's good, if you have. You only have chemistry in my opinion if you can walk into a rehearsal with a riff and have the band jam along and build a song without having to say a word. Then work on it properly after a good jam and a bit of fun.

If neither of you have much experience working with other guitarists, you need to have some time put aside just for you two to work together and get used to each others strengths and weaknesses, and learning how each other write and whatnot. And working on specific harmonies you want to use etc. This will make a big difference to the end result of the band
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well, i mostly use minor 3rds, but every now and then it work, depending on the key, but the only one i use is a minor signature that has all natural except for f and c sharp, usually, or one with all natural except for a sharp. In Any case, look at Orion, by metallica, seeing as you seem to be a fan. The main rhythm with a minor 3rd chord, where it's 7th fret a string and 5th fret d string played as a chord is an example of this type of harmoinziation. However, you can split the two notes to both guitars, having one play one note and the other take the second. That's basically the song that taught me how harmonies work, but yeah. That's partial theory for you, how some things sound better than others. Check out my band for examples of the keys and harmonies i was talking about.
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#7
3rd and 5th harmonies work by counting up to the 3rd or 5th notes of the scale that you're playing in. For example In the key of 'A' minor, if u played the notes A, C, E on one guitar, on guitar 2 you'd play either C, E, G to get a 3rd harmony or E, G, B to create a 5th harmony

A minor scale - A,B,C,D,E,F,G,A
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#8
As said before, make sure you don't constantly harmonize. But for a beginner at harmonization, it's a good idea to play octave notes... for instance you would play the fifth fret on the A string and he would play the seventh fret on the G string. Of course, this can be played easily by one guitar player, but it's a good method to use either with trem picking harmonization or when palm muting between each note. As you get more used to writing together, branch off into other forms. Also, dissonant polyphonies can sound really cool if you pull them off right, like you would go up a scale and he would go down it or some such thing.
#9
Here's a really really basic idea of what I'm talking about:

D |
A |
F |
C |
G |5555777788887777--5-7-8-7-5-7-8-
C |-------------------------00-0-0-0-0-0-0-0


D |
A |
F |77779999101010109999--7-9-10-9-7-9-10-
C |
G |
C |-------------------------------00-0-0--0-0-0-0--0
Last edited by rictazero at Feb 11, 2009,
#10
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if you harmonize in 3ths you go 2 frets up 4th's 3 frets 5th's 4 frets


This is very wrong.

If you harmonize in 3rds, you go 3/4 frets up (depending if its a minor or major third)
4ths are 5 frets up
5th are 7 frets up
#11
You harmoize UP the scale. Jez whats so difficult for people to grasp this?

C major Harmony:

cccc ga cccc ga cccc ga
eee bc eee bc eee bc

Write down the base riff you want to be harmonized and figure out the notes and THEN do the appropiate movement up the scale and then go to the second guitarist and say "play this"
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#12
Basically to harmonize anything you would just pick a scale. Lets say A minor (its easy). Then you make a riff.

A B C D E F G - if you harmonized two notes up it would be
C D E F G A B

So if you made a riff say A A B C B A A - 1 guitar plays this
Harmonized it would be C C D E D C C - 1 guitar plays this

All Haronizing is is when 1 guitar plays a riff and another guitar plays the same riff just starting on a different note.