#1
I'm curious, how many tube watts is too loud for home practice? I have a Peavey Vypyr 30 right now, and distorted it barely goes past 3, and clean it barely goes past 5 (Depending on what amp, stompboxes, ect. I use obviously), because it's either too loud for comfort or my parents complain.

So by the end of the year I planned to get the 15watt Blackheart Handsome Devil, since I figured 15 < 30, it must be quieter. Now, reading up on it more, and 15 tube watts = or > 30 SS watts?

So, will 15 tube watts be as loud as the 30 watt Vypyr? I definately need something quieter, so if it is as loud/louder, could you suggest me something quieter?
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#2
5 watts of tube power is as loud as 30w of Ss power.........
thats what i think........
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5 watts of tube power is as loud as 30w of Ss power.........
thats what i think........

5? Then how am I supposed to get a quiet tube amp?
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#4
5watt tube = 20 w SS.

Blackheart little giant is a tube amp with 5w/3w switch :p
#5
Yeah, try out a Blackheart Little Giant (5 watt/3 watt), or even a modded Killer Ant. (1 watt)
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Quote by Danyg
5watt tube = 20 w SS.

Blackheart little giant is a tube amp with 5w/3w switch :p

yep im wrong.............
if you want a Blackheart try looking for a BitMo modded Killer ant or buy a regular one and then mod it
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#7
Really for home practice strictly, 5 watts is enough, I have a 40 watt tube amp right now and even in a band setting I've never had the need to turn it past 3/4. Or you could get an attenuator which let's you turn your amp up (better tone) but keeps the volume down.

I've heard the Blackheart 5w is pretty good, and Epiphone makes a basic 5w amp that sounds pretty good (I've played on one).
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#8
They make several 5 watt tube amps. I believe Blackheart makes one that is selectable between 3 or 5 watts.
#9
Mmkay, so 5 watts is the way to go then? And the Little Giant is similar to the Handsome Devil?
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#10
5 watts would definitely be enough for just home practice, and that could even be too much depending on your living situation. I have a 15 watt tube amp that I can't turn up very much before my neighbors start complaining. I also have a 50 watt one that I don't play very often because it's FAR too loud. I played it a bit about a month ago with the clean channel set around 9 o'clock, and my fiancee could her me playing from the parking lot on the opposite side of my apartment. I think if I opened it up, I could play so people eating at the Italian restaurant two blocks away could hear me.

If you want an affordable option with no frills, the Blackheart Little Giant would probably be a good choice though I can't personally vouch for it. For an amp with a full EQ and two channels, you could get the Blackstar HT-5 for around $500. There are also a lot of boutique options that go for far above $500, but I'm guessing your budget wouldn't cover those. Best of luck in your purchase!
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5? Then how am I supposed to get a quiet tube amp?


you can't. well, not without either power scaling or an attenuator (or maybe that zvex one).
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#13
5 watts is pretty loud. I rarely run my Vj past the 12 o'clock position and even then I dial down the volume control on my POD depending on the amp models and stomps i'm using. Don't think for a second you can't pissoff the neighbors with 5 watts. It's pretty easy actually.
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#14
I have a 15 watt amp (Blues Jr.) and use it for home practice all the time.
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First, no Valve amp cranked is going to go bedroom quiet (except maybe that zVex one). So your only other options are:

1. Attenutate (buy an attenuator, can be expensive but a decent investment as they are transferable from amp to amp).

2. Re-Amp (more expensive but less hard on your valves, involves buying an attenuator/load box and using the line out to connect to a seperate power amp).

3. LIVE WITH IT. Just because valve amps sound their best cranked, it doesn't mean they sound like **** at normal volumes. I have a 50w Peavey Valveking that sounded fine at loud TV levels, and a Rocker 30w that sounds fine at those levels too.

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#16
The Handsome Devil is a 7/15 watt tubes. I have one and it can used at bedroom levels. It has preamp gain knob and a power amp knob as well as a tone stack and presence knobs. Very good little amp.

By dialing in the preamp and power amp knobs you can get good tones at a low level.
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Quote by xxBR34KD0WN
5? Then how am I supposed to get a quiet tube amp?

You use this thing called a volume knob and set it to a lower level

I play my 100 watt Randall through a Vader 2x12 at bedroom levels while my mom is asleep on the other level and end of the house (this house with thin walls... I'm on the top level btw.)

EDIT: Accidentally said 4x12 initially xD
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You use this thing called a volume knob and set it to a lower level

I think this would solve the problem of the Vypyr being too loud even more so. That SS amp will sound pretty much the same at any volume you choose whereas a tube wont.

TS I'm really not sure why you don't just turn your amp down if it's too loud. Sure if you're after a tube amp go for it but if it's just the volume that is the problem turn it down, problem solved.
#20
i use a 50 watt peavey classic 50 for home. i just dont crank it. its that simple. however, your parents must have very sensitive ears for you not to be able to go past 3 on a 15 watt solid state.

therefore the logical conclusion is to kill your parents, then buy a triple rectifier. its foolproof
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#21
Hey there's a new Vox all-tube amp coming out Februrary 2009 sometime that will be switchable between 4 watt, 1 watt, and 1/4 watt, and I think it was only gonna be like $400US. Maybe check that out.

EDIT: forgot the name it's the VOX AC4TV
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^It's the AC4, isn't it?
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#23
Get a Blackheart Little giant halfstack and if that is still too loud get an attenuator thingo.
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#24
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i use a 50 watt peavey classic 50 for home. i just dont crank it. its that simple.

Exactly. The guitarist in my band uses his TSL60 (60 tube watts) for quiet practice at home and it sounds fine. You don't need a 1w tube amp to practice at home despite what UG constantly says.
#25
Just use your volume knob man.

At the very moment it's 1:45am, my parents are in the room above mine, no insulation between the rooms, just some boards and carpet, I'm running my Vetta in 300watts through a full stack and a half, no complaints yet. Not to mention I also have a headphone out onboard.

You could get a Line 6 POD XT floorboard and just use headphones as an amp. Maybe your Vypyr has a headphone out.
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#26
Quote by bartdevil_metal
First, no Valve amp cranked is going to go bedroom quiet (except maybe that zVex one). So your only other options are:

1. Attenutate (buy an attenuator, can be expensive but a decent investment as they are transferable from amp to amp).

2. Re-Amp (more expensive but less hard on your valves, involves buying an attenuator/load box and using the line out to connect to a seperate power amp).

3. LIVE WITH IT. Just because valve amps sound their best cranked, it doesn't mean they sound like **** at normal volumes. I have a 50w Peavey Valveking that sounded fine at loud TV levels, and a Rocker 30w that sounds fine at those levels too.

The choice is yours



Re-amping is just as hard on the tubes, you're still cranking the thing.

That being said, +1 to this post.
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#27
^ yeah, probably

Quote by bartdevil_metal
First, no Valve amp cranked is going to go bedroom quiet (except maybe that zVex one). So your only other options are:

1. Attenutate (buy an attenuator, can be expensive but a decent investment as they are transferable from amp to amp).

2. Re-Amp (more expensive but less hard on your valves, involves buying an attenuator/load box and using the line out to connect to a seperate power amp).

3. LIVE WITH IT. Just because valve amps sound their best cranked, it doesn't mean they sound like **** at normal volumes. I have a 50w Peavey Valveking that sounded fine at loud TV levels, and a Rocker 30w that sounds fine at those levels too.

The choice is yours


+1 (though an amp with variable wattage e.g. cornell which gets you down to a fraction of a watt or powerscaling would be another option, it is similar to the attenuator option though).

i never understand people buying low wattage amps which aren't suitable for the tone they're after. buying an amp with a good master volume which still sounds good turned down is probably a better plan, in that case. of course, if you can find a low wattage amp which is also aimed at the music you play, then that's fair enough. but the big problem with a lot of the amps around the 5-10 watt mark is that they're still too loud for playing at home, but aren't loud enough (or at least, have next to no clean headroom) for playing with a band...
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I have a 15 watt amp (Blues Jr.) and use it for home practice all the time.
My neighbors are old, too.



Same here. Except my neighbors aren't old, they're just bitchy.
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#29
I have a Laney VC15 and I have at at volume 3 (gain 6/7) and thats loud enough to hear throughout the house. My neighbour doesn't complain though, and she is old and doesn't like us haha
#30
i gig with 15 watts tube power..

i'd say try the killer ant.. it's 1watt
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