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#1
I read a thread about impulses the other day, which is basically a way to use a cabinet simulator to mimic miced up cabinets instead of micing up yourself.

I'd like to give this a shot, but they always talk about hooking up a preamp output to a mic preamp. Would this be the same as the effects loop send?

So it would be:

guitar > blackmore > effects loop send into mic preamp > Cubase with cab sim VHT loaded in.

Like that?
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#2
I don't think skipping the power section of your amp would sound good at all.
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#3
I've heard some great results using impulses, I'm just not sure how to hook everything up to make it work.

*edit*

This was recorded with an impulse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniYwtwVPxE

Beats the **** out of my toneport...and I really want to use my blackmore to record.
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Last edited by Mark G at Feb 14, 2009,
#4
how much would that cost? the tone quality in that video is awesome
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#5
Thats the thing! Its a whole lot cheaper and easier than micing. I've read that its a way to simulate miced cabinet...so you wouldn't need a microphone(s). Amp > preamp > recording program with loaded cab sim + impulse of desired cab.

I just need to know how to hook up my amp to the preamp :S I could hopefully use my toneport as mic preamp.
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#6
I've never heard of this before...
But I would have to agree with Kevin.
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#7
Quote by cavalier14
I've never heard of this before...
But I would have to agree with Kevin.


Did you check out the example link I posted before? Pretty clear example that it can sound pretty damn good.

I've done some more reading, and it seems I would run a cable from my effects loop out to a mic preamp. I could place my bad monkey in the loop and use the extra line-out on that. Would my toneport work?
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#8
if you need a mic preamp its probably to amplify the signal, which i dont think the bad monkey do, my mic preamp can amplify a signal up to 70db
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#9
Quote by Jaekae
if you need a mic preamp its probably to amplify the signal, which i dont think the bad monkey do, my mic preamp can amplify a signal up to 70db


Nah the toneport would just be to supply the line-out. Would the toneport be able to function as a mic preamp?
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#10
aha okey, thought u meant using the bad monkey instead of a preamp :P It could work but im not sure, do you have the gx model or the one that have a mic line in?
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#12
that one have a mic preamp, so you should try it out and if it works post a clip :P
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#13
Yes, you can use your effects loop send. Connect it to your interface and load the impulse in a reverb convolution VST or AU, and you're set.
#14
I have aradaz...... DI with your guitar with amp and mic emulator VST, bunch of different mic choices with "distance" options. Never heard of what you're talking about, just throwing it out there.
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#15
Sick!

Just so I get this clear.....I would need a cab simulator to load the impulses right? I also need a recording program capable of loading the simulator as a VST.

I'm thinking: Voxengo Boogex into Cubase (which I have)? Then I just need to track down a nice impulse to use with my blackmore

*edit*

guitar > blackmore > effects loop > toneport UX1. Then load Voxengo into Cubase, and an impulse into voxengo? Oh, and select the toneport as my Cubase input...but without booting up the toneports onboard modellers.
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Last edited by Mark G at Feb 14, 2009,
#16
Quote by Mark G
Sick!

Just so I get this clear.....I would need a cab simulator to load the impulses right? I also need a recording program capable of loading the simulator as a VST.

I'm thinking: Voxengo Boogex into Cubase (which I have)? Then I just need to track down a nice impulse to use with my blackmore


You've got it.
Boogex is what alot of Cubase guys use.

You need to sign up, but this place is a good source of free impulses: http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum.php?f=32&start=75
#17
Quote by Nolly
You've got it.
Boogex is what alot of Cubase guys use.

You need to sign up, but this place is a good source of free impulses: http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum.php?f=32&start=75


Thank you, I'll check it out. Did you read my edit? Did I put the chain right? If I did, I'll get on this first thing tomorrow (its 2 am now) and I should have clips up in the afternoon if it works.
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#18
Quote by Kevin Saale
I don't think skipping the power section of your amp would sound good at all.


it sounds fine, if you use a cabinet impulse.

just a few things to remember, you must have a speaker load on the amp. and a cabinet impulse isn't a VHT/VST/whatever, its a .wav file that you pretty much upload into a VHT. i use reaper, and reaper has an amp model effect/plugin that it comes with, and the use the .wav impulse, i drag it into the folder of the amp model VST. it sounded decent when i did it though, i just recorded my pod w/o cabinet emulation, then under the effects there was this random mesa 4x12 impulse i downloaded, and it worked fine for me.
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#19
Quote by Mark G
Thank you, I'll check it out. Did you read my edit? Did I put the chain right? If I did, I'll get on this first thing tomorrow (its 2 am now) and I should have clips up in the afternoon if it works.


I hadn't seen your edit, but I believe it's correct. Just hook up your amp's FX loop send to your interface. Be sure to keep a load connected to the power amp, be it a cabinet or a dummy load. You can turn the master volume all the way off to record silently; some of the ENGLs will even still produce a preamp signal while in standby mode.
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I'll keep my cab connected. I'll try two ways:

1. Effect loop out, with master volume set to 0. This should allow for silent recording

if that doesn't work:

2. Bad Monkey OD in the loop, which has a line-out I can use. This won't allow silent recording, but at least it will allow recording...

I hope I can bypass my toneport effects etc, should work if I simply don't turn on gearbox. Then its just the hardware.
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#21
Quote by Mark G
I'll keep my cab connected. I'll try two ways:

1. Effect loop out, with master volume set to 0. This should allow for silent recording

if that doesn't work:

2. Bad Monkey OD in the loop, which has a line-out I can use. This won't allow silent recording, but at least it will allow recording...

I hope I can bypass my toneport effects etc, should work if I simply don't turn on gearbox. Then its just the hardware.


1. should work fine. I don't think that 2. would offer any advantages.
Even with the Line6 software loaded, you can select to run the toneport in bypass mode anyway.
#22
Quote by Mark G
I'll keep my cab connected. I'll try two ways:

1. Effect loop out, with master volume set to 0. This should allow for silent recording

if that doesn't work:

2. Bad Monkey OD in the loop, which has a line-out I can use. This won't allow silent recording, but at least it will allow recording...

I hope I can bypass my toneport effects etc, should work if I simply don't turn on gearbox. Then its just the hardware.


come to think of it, you could also try using some of gearbox's cabinet emulation, just for the hell of it
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#23
Thanks for all the input, you've helped me so much guys Its been 2 am so I'm off to bed. If anything springs to mind, please drop me a note and I'll check back in the morning. I'll get busy with this tomorrow, and try to get clips up if it works. Might also write an in-depth tutorial on how to set this stuff up if everything works.

Gnite
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#24
it works perfectly for me now , my engl fx send -> art tube mic preamp -> soundcard -> reaper with kefir vst plugin to load a impulse,

every different impulse give a different sound, so its endless possibilities, by using different and eqing on the amp etc, best thing with this recording method is that it works to have the amp silent :P

this one i think is the best so far of the one ive tested its for a mesa cab
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Jaekae/music/all/play544637
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Last edited by Jaekae at Feb 15, 2009,
#25
Alright, so I hooked up boogex with an ENGL V30 pro cab to cubase fine.

My amp was 100% off, and my master volumes were turned down. The second I ran a cable from the effects loop out into my toneport, there was a buzzing sound and my computer shut down.

I reboot my computer....but my toneport seems to be dead. Not doing anything anymore. What the hell? My amp wasn't even powered on and it blew up my toneport.

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#26
Quote by Mark G
Alright, so I hooked up boogex with an ENGL V30 pro cab to cubase fine.

My amp was 100% off, and my master volumes were turned down. The second I ran a cable from the effects loop out into my toneport, there was a buzzing sound and my computer shut down.

I reboot my computer....but my toneport seems to be dead. Not doing anything anymore. What the hell? My amp wasn't even powered on and it blew up my toneport.



could have been an impedance problem between the effects out on the amp and the input on the toneport have you tried using the toneport since, without doing the effects loop thing?
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#27
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could have been an impedance problem between the effects out on the amp and the input on the toneport have you tried using the toneport since, without doing the effects loop thing?


I couldn't try anything after that...the toneport stopped working 100%. I am now without a preamp/interface. The thing smells like BBQ now.

I don't understand how this could have happened, I mean the amp wasn't even powered on! Even if it were on...the effects loop out should have worked fine.

Now I need to find a new interface for my recording...figure out what went wrong...and decide if I'm going to try this...or plan 2 in the future.
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#28
hmm you seem to be very unlucky , did you run the cable to the 1/4 on the toneport or the XLR ? the 1/4 is for instruments

maby you can get a new toneport on warranty?
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#29
Warranty ran out some time ago, I've had it for a while. I ran a cable from the effects loop out on my amp into the intstrument input on the toneport.
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#30
ok that may probably be the problem, the mic preamp is only for the mic input
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#31
I ran a 1/4 from the effects loop out into the 1/4 instrument input on the toneport. Wouldn't I need an XLR cable to use the mic input?

If this is really what went wrong..does it explain the toneports sudden death?
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#32
Quote by Mark G
I ran a 1/4 from the effects loop out into the 1/4 instrument input on the toneport. Wouldn't I need an XLR cable to use the mic input?

If this is really what went wrong..does it explain the toneports sudden death?


try asking the line 6 forum
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#33
if you are able to revive the toneport you could try it :P

there is 1/4 - XLR cables , i have one here

but its still strange it died even when the amp was off
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#34
Quote by nutinpwnsgibson
try asking the line 6 forum


Posted a question there, thanks for the suggestion.

Quote by Jaekae
if you are able to revive the toneport you could try it :P

there is 1/4 - XLR cables , i have one here

but its still strange it died even when the amp was off


Its dead as can be, doesn't respond to anything. Did you use the 1/4> XLR cable for your impulse recording?
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#35
Quote by Jaekae

but its still strange it died even when the amp was off


yeah thats kind of making me think it might have been a coincedence
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Peavey 5150 mk ii & b52 4x12 cab

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Head and Cab for $130? You don't need a head and cabinet, you need a psychological examination.
#36
Quote by nutinpwnsgibson
yeah thats kind of making me think it might have been a coincedence


I'm beginning to think there might have been a residual charge in my Blackmore's preamp tubes or something that shot into the interface and laptop when I connected them.

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#37
i had a normal 1/4 cable also, but my mic preamp isnt a interface also, so i think it could be a difference

its to bad it didnt work cos i wanna hear some more amazing clips from you ^^
ive found the engl pro cab impulse now and it´s really nice
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Jaekae/music/all/play544968
thats no mixing or eq at all on it so it could sound alot better with some work, and its maby a bit to much gain on :P
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#38
Could I plug my direct out output of my Mesa Mark III and into Mbox 2 with Protools???? This sounds awesome for silentrecording. Also, can these be used with Pro Tools LE, and is it free???? I could maybe sell my SM57 if it sounds good.
Last edited by bulletrocks522 at Feb 15, 2009,
#39
Quote by Jaekae
i had a normal 1/4 cable also, but my mic preamp isnt a interface also, so i think it could be a difference

its to bad it didnt work cos i wanna hear some more amazing clips from you ^^
ive found the engl pro cab impulse now and it´s really nice
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Jaekae/music/all/play544968
thats no mixing or eq at all on it so it could sound alot better with some work, and its maby a bit to much gain on :P


I'm ordering a new interface tomorrow probably, so I lost the battle but no the war. What programs are you using for your clip? I've heard so much better.....its scary. Can't wait to get this started. When I get all this sorted out, I'll make clips for you I promise

Quote by bulletrocks522
Could I plug my direct out output of my Mesa Mark III and into Mbox 2 with Protools???? This sounds awesome for silentrecording. Also, can these be used with Pro Tools LE, and is it free???? I could maybe sell my SM57 if it sounds good.


At this point I really can't tell you for sure..since my interface just blew up I don't really think I'm in the position to answer any questions about this.
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Last edited by Mark G at Feb 15, 2009,
#40
Quote by Mark G
I'm ordering a new interface tomorrow probably, so I lost the battle but no the war. What programs are you using for your clip? I've heard so much better.....its scary. Can't wait to get this started. When I get all this sorted out, I'll make clips for you I promise


its reaper for recording program and kefir as the impulse loader, maby ill get it to sound better when ive learned and tried more stuff to tweak the tone :P
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