Poll: What do you think of the NRA
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View poll results: What do you think of the NRA
It's great
149 35%
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180 42%
Undecided
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35 8%
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#5
My dad owns a lot of guns, and there's nothing like supporting the Second Amendment of the Constitution.

I'm a believer that guns really don't kill people; their irresponsible owners do.

Oh, and to the thread starter, as long as there are different opinions in the world, there will never be peace.
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#7
Your not talking about the NRA your talking about our second amendment.
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#8
I think they are great. Guns are not bad its bad people using them that gives guns a bad reputation
#9
Im not american, so i dont know what NRA is... i dont really care.

however, my views on guns are extremely anti.
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#10
Quote by JewMasatFlex
My dad owns a lot of guns, and there's nothing like supporting the Second Amendment of the Constitution.

I'm a believer that guns really don't kill people; their irresponsible owners do.

Oh, and to the thread starter, as long as there are different opinions in the world, there will never be peace.


How do you prevent irresponsible owners from getting a gun? - Don't sell guns.

Banhammer at the weaponry.

If you're not planning to kill anything what do you want to do with it?
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#11
i think guns should exist but i SERIOUSLY believe they should be harder to get....example: there are so much more killing in the us compared to all of europe...simply cause its ****ING hard to get a gun in europe
#13
Quote by OlivierF
How do you prevent irresponsible owners from getting a gun? - Don't sell guns.




Most of the irresponsible owners of guns don't buy them legally.
#14
Well, some of what the NRA advocates can get extereme. When you demand the right to own assult weapons that are only really useable for aggressively killing people. Any argument for self defense, sport, or any other valid reason for gun ownership goes out the window.

Gun laws could get a lot tougher in this country without destrying the second ammendment. The NRA wants the laws to be much more lenient and there's really no point in that.
#15
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#17
Quote by UncleCthulhu


Most of the irresponsible owners of guns don't buy them legally.


That;s not true, most people who irresponsibly use guns, buy perfectly legal guns under legal circumstances (or recieve them as gifts.

Your argument has no evidence to back it up. Someone is much more likely to irresponsibly use a hunting rifle than a sub machine gun lol.
#18
i think you are a dumbass peace is having a bigger gun than your enemy is am a proud member and have over 100 guns so ooo senor fuukkk you
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#19
Quote by OlivierF
How do you prevent irresponsible owners from getting a gun? - Don't sell guns.

Banhammer at the weaponry.

If you're not planning to kill anything what do you want to do with it?



Well, have a look at what UncleCthulhu wrote:

Quote by UncleCthulhu


Most of the irresponsible owners of guns don't buy them legally.


So that takes care of that.

Also, I believe that you should be able to carry a weapon as protection. I don't know about you guys, but if someone breaks into my house, they're getting their heads blown off if they come anywhere close to me.

EDIT:

I'm not saying the average man should be able to own an assault weapon, but I don't see the problems with rifles and handguns.
Last edited by JewMasatFlex at Feb 15, 2009,
#20
Quote by JewMasatFlex
My dad owns a lot of guns, and there's nothing like supporting the Second Amendment of the Constitution.


Someone clue me in on this, but isn't the Second Amendment supposed to relate to a regulated militia rather than just anybody who wants to own a firearm?

I'm weirdly in favour of the NRA. I'd rather have an organisation that keeps records of gun owners in the US than, well, not have an organisation like that. It's just a shame that it's not possible to have something like that for everyone who owns a gun.
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#21
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i think you are a dumbass peace is having a bigger gun than your enemy is am a proud member and have over 100 guns so ooo senor fuukkk you


Did you intentionally type "fuuKkk " ?
#23
Quote by dullsilver_mike
Well, some of what the NRA advocates can get extereme. When you demand the right to own assult weapons that are only really useable for aggressively killing people. Any argument for self defense, sport, or any other valid reason for gun ownership goes out the window.

Gun laws could get a lot tougher in this country without destrying the second ammendment. The NRA wants the laws to be much more lenient and there's really no point in that.

When you demand what the constitution promises, you're doing your job as a citizen. Even if you don't utilize those rights. You don't back the NRA when the Government tries taking away gun rights because you don't own guns. Once these rights start going out the window who will have your back you when you want a fair trial?
#24
Quote by neopowell
Someone clue me in on this, but isn't the Second Amendment supposed to relate to a regulated militia rather than just anybody who wants to own a firearm?

I'm not from the US but that isn't true.
#25
Quote by neopowell
Someone clue me in on this, but isn't the Second Amendment supposed to relate to a regulated militia rather than just anybody who wants to own a firearm?
I may be wrong, but I think it gives people the right to bear arms (grammar mistake?) but doesn't give any kind of context.
#26
Quote by Nacho_Novo
I'm not from the US but that isn't true.


I just checked the wording and it's pretty murky, but Gigante is right, this is about the NRA not the Constitution.
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#27
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I may be wrong, but I think it gives people the right to bear arms (grammar mistake?) but doesn't give any kind of context.

That's because there doesn't need to be.
#28
Quote by ColdNovembeRain
When you demand what the constitution promises, you're doing your job as a citizen. Even if you don't utilize those rights. You don't back the NRA when the Government tries taking away gun rights because you don't own guns. Once these rights start going out the window who will have your back you when you want a fair trial?



Who said I don't own any firearms? I regularly go shooting with my buddies.

Slippery slope arguments are never valid, so don't even start with one. People know how to draw the line, and some of the concessions that the NRA has wanted over the last two decades have been ridiculous. You can clearly say no to automatic weaponry, for example, and never be in danger of being tricked out of your hunting rifle (even if it's, say, semi-automatic).

Point is, you're wrong simply for the fact that slippery slope arguments are never valid. Don't use them in the future, you sound like an opinion journalist--Don't want to sound like Bill Maher do you?

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That's because there doesn't need to be.


And of course there always needs to be context, anyone who thinks without context isn't thinking at all.

Without context, ou can't use your gun for self defense, because without context it's simple criminal murder.
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#29
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#30
Quote by neopowell
Someone clue me in on this, but isn't the Second Amendment supposed to relate to a regulated militia rather than just anybody who wants to own a firearm?


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

There is a clear distinction between the people and a militia. Someone is going to post the Penn and Teller video soon and that will clear things up.

Anyway, I think the NRA is good. A bunch of people that are informed about their guns is better than some guy who walks out of WalMart with one. Also I pose a question to everyone that is anti gun, if guns cause violence then why hasn't there ever been a malicious shooting at a NRA convention?
Last edited by jackfromcs at Feb 15, 2009,
#31
Quote by dullsilver_mike
And of course there always needs to be context, anyone who thinks without context isn't thinking at all.

Without context, ou can't use your gun for self defense, because without context it's simple criminal murder.

There doesn't need to be context in the case of the US of the right of the people to bear arms, that is clear.
#32
Quote by Nacho_Novo
There doesn't need to be context in the case of the US of the right of the people to bear arms, that is clear.


is it?

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

There is a clear distinction between the people and a militia. Someone is going to post the Penn and Teller video soon and that will clear things up.


This guy also says there's a clear distinction, but that it doesn't support the NRA's policies.

"People" is ambiguous after it follows "Militia," it needs context--what people are you talking about, just the people in the militia? That sounds a lot like how it was used.

Also context changes--so if "the people" meaning the american public initially meant white men (which it exculsively did) we would have to follow that exact same meaning today if context isn't important. No, the context for "the people" changed and we adapted based on changing context.

The context of gun laws changes, and it can change without the constitution ever coming under attack. I can't scream fire in a crowded movie theater, there's no reason I should be able to buy any firearm that I want.
#33
Quote by dullsilver_mike
That;s not true, most people who irresponsibly use guns, buy perfectly legal guns under legal circumstances (or recieve them as gifts.

Your argument has no evidence to back it up. Someone is much more likely to irresponsibly use a hunting rifle than a sub machine gun lol.


Wow, hypocrit. You say my argument has no evidence to back it up when it has far more than yours?

Most serious crimes commited involving firearms offences involve straw purchases and illegally produced kits with no serial numbers.
#34
Quote by UncleCthulhu
Wow, hypocrit. You say my argument has no evidence to back it up when it has far more than yours?

Most serious crimes commited involving firearms offences involve straw purchases and illegally produced kits with no serial numbers.


it's alright for me to be a hypocrite as long as I make it clear that you're not doing your job in the argument. You started things, it falls on your shoulders to find evidence.

I'm speaking from personal experience. Every gun crime I've read about or become familiar with locally has been committed with a gun that I could easily purchase myself.

And additionally, tougher laws do disuade criminal activity. Few people follow the 60mph speed limit, they are criminals that drive at 64 on average. If you lower the speed limit to 55, they will become criminals that drive at 59 on average--thus helping fix the speeding problem.

Do you drive at the same speed in both speed zones? No. Just because you're a criminal, and if you're speeding you are, it doesn't mean the law doesn't affect your behavior and decisions.
#36
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Plus, guns don't kill people, rappers do. I seen it on a documentary on BBC2.




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#37
The second amendment was neither murky nor ambiguous. The NRA routinely distributes literature documenting other laws and policy statements from the founding fathers. Modern trial lawyers and propaganda writers have highlighted the "militia" line knowing full well that their best hope is to confuse the voter on language/vernacular from two centuries ago. I'm registered Democratic, but their habit of deliberate misrepresentation annoys and embarasses me. Just because the other side does it, doesn't mean its okay for mine.
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#38
My brother is a member, so they always send me **** in the mail... I don't really like having their magazine in my mailbox all the time. It's not as bad as college advertisements though.
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#39
I'll think whatever you want me to, just get that gun out of my face.
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#40
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