#1
Why do most metal musicians not like power amp overdrive?
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#2
BECAUSE WE PLAY IT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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#3
I don't think they like it, but more of that they don't really need it.

They drive the pre-amp very hard so they wouldn't need the power amp distorting either.

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#4
So, how come a low watt amp like mine is frowned upon for metal, yet, when cranked, with my XXL pedal, can easily do metal?
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#5
Quote by lespaul#1
So, how come a low watt amp like mine is frowned upon for metal, yet, when cranked, with my XXL pedal, can easily do metal?



It's not been designed as a high gain amp.

The amps metal players uses have tonnes of gain.

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#6
But, so does mine, when boosted, I'd post a video, if my camera didn't suck/
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#7
Quote by lespaul#1
But, so does mine, when boosted, I'd post a video, if my camera didn't suck/


Exactly!

When boosted!
An amp like yours needs a boost to drive the pre-amp harder and therefore more gain being available, but the amps they use already have enough gain in the pre amp meaning any power amp distortion is un-needed.

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#8
Oh, but it CAN be used?
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#9
Quote by lespaul#1
Oh, but it CAN be used?


Course!

They just don't rely on for the distortion, just for the volume of the damn amp!

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#10
I understand now, it's loud enough, but without pedals, doesn't have the required gain?
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"I'm discontinuing production on the Timmy now as well. It might come back into production at some point down the road, but probably not because people will just clone it anyway cause they're stupid jerk face doo doo heads. -Paul C."
#11
Ok, let me break it down, since no one else has.

Metal players do not like power tube overdrive because it causes the attack/response of the amp to loosen, meaning there is a certain amount of sag when the power tubes are overdriven. This is detrimental to the percussive style that a lot of metal uses, such as triplets and fast single note runs. It also tends to loosen up the bottom end, which, again, increase 'flub', or looseness in the tone, making it harder to sound clean and technically competent when playing fast.

Therefore, most high-gain amps have very high headroom. Like the 5150, which is 120 watts from 4 6L6's, or the JCM800KK (Who know's how much power that thing puts out with 4xKT88).

All of the saturation and distortion is from the preamp in High Gain heads.
#12
power amp saturation can get a little too saggy
periphery/bulb!

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#13
Quote by nutinpwnsgibson
power amp saturation can get a little too saggy

See above
#14
I have no way if getting a new amp for a while.
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#15
Quote by lespaul#1
I have no way if getting a new amp for a while.

Get an old, cheap VH-140c Combo.

Or a Randall RG100 combo.
#16
It's not money, I'm not allowed.
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