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#1
Can it be constitutional to exclude from public service or service as a witness in a state court any and all atheists? Such a practice is so throw-back in nature, that it reminds one of the Spanish Inquisition. And yet, when I read the first part of this Washington Post piece, I was flabbergasted to find that Arkansas is one of a half-dozen states that does so. Read on and be flabbergasted (or not) yourself. But know in advance that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled illegal all such laws in 1961:

Hard to say what was more remarkable about the resolution that was read into the record and referred to committee Wednesday by a member of the 87th Arkansas General Assembly.

The resolution itself: HJR 1009: AMENDING THE ARKANSAS CONSTITUTION TO REPEAL THE PROHIBITION AGAINST AN ATHEIST HOLDING ANY OFFICE IN THE CIVIL DEPARTMENTS OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS OR TESTIFYING AS A WITNESS IN ANY COURT.

Or the fact that it was submitted by the Green Party's highest-ranking elected official in America, state Rep. Richard Carroll of North Little Rock, who was elected in November winning more than 80 percent of the vote in his district.

Arkansas is one of half a dozen states that still exclude non-believers from public office. Article 19 Section 1 of the 1874 Arkansas Constitution states that "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court.



http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2009/02/17/arkansas-5-other-states-ban-atheists-from-public-service-seriously.html


........


****ing Idiots.


Anyway, Discuss.

paintEDIT: here is the full bill: http://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/assembly/2009/R/Bills/HJR1009.pdf
the new bill is actually asking to repeal the article in the arkansas state constitution that prohibits an atheist from holding public office and testifying in court.
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#4
This is unconstitutional. It is expressly prohibited by the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment. I have no idea how a law like this has gotten through.
#5
Hey, it's a well known fact that people in Arkansas also f*ck pigs, who can sometimes even be their own siblings.
#6
What a load of bollocks. I hate it when I read things like this, it makes me want to kill myself.
#7
Oh, so if there's a murder and the only witness available is an Atheist, it's alright for him to be shut up and not be brought into court ?
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#8
dirty *****s.


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#9
I would tell you to spell Arkansas correctly, but, apparently, they deserve it.
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#11
Who cares? It's Arkansas. That's barely a state.

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#15
I wanna know what OTHER states have this ban.


I hope VA doesn't.
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#16
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I wanna know what OTHER states have this ban.


I hope VA doesn't.

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#20
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This is unconstitutional. It is expressly prohibited by the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment. I have no idea how a law like this has gotten through.

I'm pretty sure that is just dealing with the federal government and not state or local governments.

It is still ridiculous, though.
#22
On the up side, if you accidentally witness a mafia killing in those states, you can alays say "it's OK guys, I'm an antheist, so I can't legally testify against you! That means that you'll only be breaking my legs for the squealing noises I'll make!"
#23
* Massachusetts
* Maryland
* Pennsylvania
* Mississippi
* S. Carolina
* N. Carolina
* Texas
* Tennessee


Those are the other states.
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#24
Arkansas is always at the bottom in school quality rankings among states so this really doesn't surprise me. Although it is something that I have always thought about...what does an atheist do in court when they are asked to take the stand?
#25
Quote by dudetheman
I wanna know what OTHER states have this ban.


I hope VA doesn't.

Yep, I would like to know if I can testify.
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* Massachusetts
* Maryland
* Pennsylvania
* Mississippi
* S. Carolina
* N. Carolina
* Texas
* Tennessee


Those are the other states.

Really? The other states don't surprise me, except maybe Maryland and Pennsylvania, but Massachusetts?
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#26
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Arkansas is always at the bottom in school quality rankings among states so this really doesn't surprise me. Although it is something that I have always thought about...what does an atheist do in court when they are asked to take the stand?


lie
#27
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* Massachusetts
* Maryland
* Pennsylvania
* Mississippi
* S. Carolina
* N. Carolina
* Texas
* Tennessee


Those are the other states.

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#28
Laws and other rules against atheists and agnostics

Arkansas
Arkansas Constitution bans atheists from holding office or being a witness in court[1]
Constitution Of The State Of Arkansas Of 1874.
Article 19. Miscellaneous Provisions. § 1. Atheists disqualified from holding office or testifying as witness.
No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court.[2]
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Maryland
Unable to hold public office in Maryland
Article 37 of the Declaration of Rights of the Maryland Constitution That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.[3]
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Massachusetts
Take the lord's name in vain? Criticize religion? Spend up to a year in jail.
PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES
TITLE I. CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS CHAPTER 272. CRIMES AGAINST CHASTITY, MORALITY, DECENCY AND GOOD ORDER Chapter 272: Section 36. Blasphemy Section 36. Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three
hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.[4]
Special protections for theists that are not afforded to atheists
Massachusetts' State Constitution, Article 3 "Any every denomination of Christians, demeaning themselves peaceably, and as good subjects of the commonwealth, shall be equally under the protection of the law: and no subordination of any one sect or denomination to another shall ever be established by law."
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Mississippi
No atheists can hold any office in the state of MS
Mississippi State Constitution. No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state.[5]
[edit]North Carolina
Unable to hold public office in North Carolina
North Carolina State Constitution, Article VI, Section 8:
Sec. 8. Disqualifications for office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office:
First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.[6]
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Pennsylvania
Specific protections for religious people
"No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."[7]
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South Carolina
Unable to hold public office in South Carolina
South Carolina State Constitution, Article VI, Section 2: No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution.[8]
In 1993, Herb Silverman, a college professor, along with the ACLU brought forward a case of discrimination. Professor Silverman was rejected from being a notary public. It took 4 years for the case to be decided and had to go to the State Supreme Court. In 1997, the South Carolina State Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the law was unconstitutional.[9]
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Tennessee
Unable to hold public office in Tennessee
The Tennessee Constitution, Article IX, Section 2 No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.[10]
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Texas
Unable to hold public office in Texas
The Texas Constitution, Article I, Section 4: No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.[11]
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#29
Sure, and why don't we just do the same thing to all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Black people, Latinos, Middle-Easterners, Asians, Homosexuals, Women, and anyone else who isn't a White Christian Man! It's only fair.

Fucking Idiots, as an Athiest/agnostic I find this offensive, and Prejudice

Freedom of Religion bitches

EDIT: Oh yeah, Seperation of Church and State much?
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#30
If I ever meet the guy who came up with this law, I'm setting him on fire.
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#31
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Oh, so if there's a murder and the only witness available is an Atheist, it's alright for him to be shut up and not be brought into court ?

yeah, the day they need help from an atheist, they would probably be fucked. Wait, they're probably so stupid, stubborn, and ignorant that they wont even ask for help from someone that thinks different than they do.
#32
Quote by in2thesun88
Arkansas is always at the bottom in school quality rankings among states so this really doesn't surprise me. Although it is something that I have always thought about...what does an atheist do in court when they are asked to take the stand?

They take the stand. I don't think anybody places their hands on Bibles anymore. (I could be wrong though; where's our resident lawyer!?)

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#33
According to the article, it was read into record and then referred to committee. The resolution may never be seen again. It is not law. The headline is misleading as hell. Bloody USN&WR...

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#35
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lie

lol I guess thats what they think us non believers will do. I've got news, a lot of Christians have lied under oath...Nixon, Clinton, Larry Craig (the picking up men in the bathroom guy), Bush, etc. etc.
#38
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According to the article, it was read into record and then referred to committee. The resolution may never be seen again. It is not law. The headline is misleading as hell. Bloody USN&WR...

Good to know, but that doesn't really change the other laws already posted here.

Well, now that I think about that, there's a similar law for the Presidency. it's just unspoken.
#39
I'm a Christian, but I still think that's stupid, and offensive. That's just plain wrong, so what if they don't believe in God? Why should that have ANYTHING to do with politics?
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#40
Is anybody surprised by that?
America was founded by people who were disgusted by European non-christian morals...
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