#1
My more affordable razorback DB came with crappy generic pickups. They sound fine to me, so how will i benefit with EMG's. Also, since it has a fixed bridge, should i just wait until i get a guitar with a tremolo more suited to playing leads?
#3
EMGs are for extremely high gain amps, like a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier. They also reduce the natural sound of the wood of the guitar to nothing. I personally don't like EMGs at all. It also seemed(to me) that clean tones don't come out well with EMGs either.
#4
Quote by -MintSauce-
You'd be amazed how many lead guitarists don't have vibratos :\

Also, if they sound fine, why change them?


Very true. If you are happy with the sound then keep them.
#5
Quote by -MintSauce-
You'd be amazed how many lead guitarists don't have tremolos :\

Also, if they sound fine, why change them?



Corrected.

Every guitarist should use vibrato. lol.
#6
Quote by -MintSauce-
You'd be amazed how many lead guitarists don't have vibratos :\

Also, if they sound fine, why change them?


^this

but if you're dead set on going active try the Seymour Duncan Blackouts. I threw a set in my Jackson COW7 and while I enjoyed the EMG that was in their the blackouts are definitely better.
#7
Quote by McShredder
Corrected.

Every guitarist should use vibrato. lol.


Vibrato in this context = vibrato unit. Ie. a unit for creating a pitch variation effect, or vibrato. This whole 'tremolo unit' crap comes from Leo Fender being a retard.


It's a vibrato, not a tremolo.

Quote by Soroki
EMGs are for extremely high gain amps, like a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier. They also reduce the natural sound of the wood of the guitar to nothing. I personally don't like EMGs at all. It also seemed(to me) that clean tones don't come out well with EMGs either.


Reference, please.

Really? I wouldn't have noticed.
Last edited by -MintSauce- at Feb 19, 2009,
#8
I agree its a vibrato, It is just another tool for your sound. And not all EMGs are dirty.
#9
Quote by -MintSauce-
Vibrato in this context = vibrato unit. Ie. a unit for creating a pitch variation effect, or vibrato. This whole 'tremolo unit' crap comes from Leo Fender being a retard.


It's a vibrato, not a tremolo.


So I assume by this logic that u do not use the word "Kleenex" when referring to a brand of tissues not made by the company Kleenex. It's not what they are so you shouldn't call them that. And you can't use the word "Hacky-Sack" either. And you can no longer call a guitar made by Charvel a Strat because it is infact not a strat. Strat is a name created by Fender, where as Charvel guitars (made prior to 2002) are not strats.
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So I assume by this logic that u do not use the word "Kleenex" when referring to a brand of tissues not made by the company Kleenex. It's not what they are so you shouldn't call them that. And you can't use the word "Hacky-Sack" either. And you can no longer call a guitar made by Charvel a Strat because it is infact not a strat. Strat is a name created by Fender, where as Charvel guitars (made prior to 2002) are not strats.


Absolutely.

Also, what the **** is a "Hacky-sack"?

Edit: Anyway, I wasn't trying to start something here. I was simply justifying my use of the term "vibrato"; making sure that everyone knew I'd not made a mistake, and showing there was no call for correction
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#11
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Absolutely.

Also, what the **** is a "Hacky-sack"?

Im not sure, but I think you guys refer to them as foot bags? The little things filled with beads that you kick around.
#12
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Im not sure, but I think you guys refer to them as foot bags? The little things filled with beads that you kick around.


Hmm, sounds pretty queer to me.

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#14
a tremelo is a variation in volume, vibrato in pitch. It's a Vibrato, not a tremelo, but it's been so ingrained in our heads that it's just what we say. In anycase,
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...comes from Leo Fender being a retard.

Oh yeah, he's definitely a retard--he only started arguably the greatest guitar company there is...
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Oh yeah, he's definitely a retard--he only started arguably the greatest guitar company there is...

That doesn't mean he's intelligent.
#17
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a tremelo is a variation in volume, vibrato in pitch. It's a Vibrato, not a tremelo, but it's been so ingrained in our heads that it's just what we say. In anycase,
TS: what kind of amp you have?


WTF Tremolo is a technique used on bowed instruments its sort of like the equivalent of tremolo picking which is as far as i know where the term was coined any way. Actually upon more research the volume things correct as well.

Its a really weird term come to think of it but the definition I was taught in music is the former.
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#18
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WTF Tremolo is a technique used on bowed instruments its sort of like the equivalent of tremolo picking which is as far as i know where the term was coined any way. Actually upon more research the volume things correct as well.

Its a really weird term come to think of it but the definition I was taught in music is the former.

Yeah its a bit weird. It is a change in volume though.
#19
Quote by Chaz22
My more affordable razorback DB came with crappy generic pickups. They sound fine to me, so how will i benefit with EMG's. Also, since it has a fixed bridge, should i just wait until i get a guitar with a tremolo more suited to playing leads?

So why do you need to replace them then? How can they be crappy if you like the tone you get from them. It's not about what everyone else thinks, its about what you think...
#20
Quote by Sleaze Disease
Oh yeah, he's definitely a retard--he only started arguably the greatest guitar company there is...
Sorry to break up your little hero-worship session for Leo, but Minty hit this, spot-on.

For centuries, Vibrato = variation in frequency, Tremolo = variation in volume.

Enter Leo Fender.
He decides to call a Vibrato unit on a guitar "tremolo".
He calls the Tremolo channel on his amplifiers "vibrato".

Sorry dude, that's just plain wrong. It makes about as much sense as calling the leftmost pedal on your car the gearshift and calling the stick for changing gears the clutch.


Admittedly, calling Leo Fender a retard was an insult.


... it was an insult to retards. Leo blew it on this one, plain and simple.
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#22
Every time that I've played a guitar with EMG's, I have such a hard time getting ANY clean tone to sound remotely good. If you plan on doing ANYTHING with a clean tone in the future, don't get EMG's.

Plus if they sound fine to you why do you want to switch at all?
#23
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Every time that I've played a guitar with EMG's, I have such a hard time getting ANY clean tone to sound remotely good. If you plan on doing ANYTHING with a clean tone in the future, don't get EMG's.

I have the exact opposite experience of EMG's! I always get nice cleans out of my EMG's, and therefore I can't understand why people hate them so much?


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#24
I love the pickups in my DB, and the only reason I would swap them out is for a set of high end dimebuckers. with that in mind I have two pieces of advice. first, dont put in emgs. They're a very generic sound, and theres nothing unique about the voice of the pickups. second, dont put in active pickups, because that would require a lot of modification to the body, including routing a battery cavity and drilling the channels to run the wires. not worth it, considering how good the "generic" pickups sound. Dean makes some nice pickups, even my $100 vendetta has a nice pair.
#25
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I love the pickups in my DB, and the only reason I would swap them out is for a set of high end dimebuckers. with that in mind I have two pieces of advice. first, dont put in emgs. They're a very generic sound, and theres nothing unique about the voice of the pickups. second, dont put in active pickups, because that would require a lot of modification to the body, including routing a battery cavity and drilling the channels to run the wires. not worth it, considering how good the "generic" pickups sound. Dean makes some nice pickups, even my $100 vendetta has a nice pair.


Oxymoron.

Subjective.

Untrue - you don't need channels for extra wires, they can all follow the existing harness, and a 9V battery is small enough to just toss in your current control cavity.

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#26
Quote by kingofdudes161
So I assume by this logic that u do not use the word "Kleenex" when referring to a brand of tissues not made by the company Kleenex. It's not what they are so you shouldn't call them that. And you can't use the word "Hacky-Sack" either. And you can no longer call a guitar made by Charvel a Strat because it is infact not a strat. Strat is a name created by Fender, where as Charvel guitars (made prior to 2002) are not strats.


Dudes, it breaks down to this... if it is a change in VOLUME it is a TREMOLO if it is a change in PITCH it is a VIBRATO. Leo had it wrong. If its a moveable part of your guitar its a vibrato.
#27
Quote by McShredder
Corrected.

Every guitarist should use vibrato. lol.


Tremolo is a fluctuation in volume, smartass
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#28
Quote by TheBloodstained
I have the exact opposite experience of EMG's! I always get nice cleans out of my EMG's, and therefore I can't understand why people hate them so much?

I've tried though... I've fooled around with maybe five different guitars with EMG's through a ton of different amps, but I just can't get anything I like... It always ends up sounding too dark, and just a tiny bit muddy.
#29
Mate, most, deans come with alright stock pickups. Only put in EMG if you have a valve amp otherwise you wont really hear that greater difference. Another thing I have heard really nice cleans on a 18v modded EMG but hey its you call personally i think if you like the tone already why bother atm...... but thats just my opinion
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#30
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Sorry to break up your little hero-worship session for Leo, but Minty hit this, spot-on.

For centuries, Vibrato = variation in frequency, Tremolo = variation in volume.

Enter Leo Fender.
He decides to call a Vibrato unit on a guitar "tremolo".
He calls the Tremolo channel on his amplifiers "vibrato".

Sorry dude, that's just plain wrong. It makes about as much sense as calling the leftmost pedal on your car the gearshift and calling the stick for changing gears the clutch.


Admittedly, calling Leo Fender a retard was an insult.


... it was an insult to retards. Leo blew it on this one, plain and simple.

Ok, so he made one mistake calling it the wrong word.
Still doesn't take away the fact that everything else he did completely overshadows that one little mistake.
Plus, unlike you, he's not a massive dick.
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#31
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Ok, so he made one mistake calling it the wrong word.
Still doesn't take away the fact that everything else he did completely overshadows that one little mistake.
Everything else he did won't make him right when it comes to the words Vibrato and Tremolo. I stand by my statement. When it comes to the use of those words, Leo blew it, plain and simple.


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Mate, most, deans come with alright stock pickups. Only put in EMG if you have a valve amp otherwise you wont really hear that greater difference. Another thing I have heard really nice cleans on a 18v modded EMG but hey its you call personally i think if you like the tone already why bother atm...... but thats just my opinion



this

if you get emgs, mod them. its a night and day experience
#33
Quote by Sleaze Disease
Ok, so he made one mistake calling it the wrong word.
Still doesn't take away the fact that everything else he did completely overshadows that one little mistake.
Plus, unlike you, he's not a massive dick.

Actually the tremolo/vibrato thing is 2 mistakes.
And SYK is one of the most helpful people here, so dont go calling him a dick. He's just blunt. And I think he despises stupidity wherever he sees it, and he sees it everywhere
#35
the EMG 60 is supposed to have a nice clean, EMG 85 is supposed to have a good rhythm sound and the EMG 81 is great for lead

nuff said.
#36
Quote by SomeoneYouKnew
Sorry to break up your little hero-worship session for Leo, but Minty hit this, spot-on.

For centuries, Vibrato = variation in frequency, Tremolo = variation in volume.

Enter Leo Fender.
He decides to call a Vibrato unit on a guitar "tremolo".
He calls the Tremolo channel on his amplifiers "vibrato".

Sorry dude, that's just plain wrong. It makes about as much sense as calling the leftmost pedal on your car the gearshift and calling the stick for changing gears the clutch.


Admittedly, calling Leo Fender a retard was an insult.


... it was an insult to retards. Leo blew it on this one, plain and simple.



Not exactly...

Tremolo, if you were implying "centuries", would go back to the say, romantic, baroque and classical era i suppose?

Tremolo then, would be the technique used, when you would rapidly move the bow up and down and play a note fast for the beat value. If you used a tremolo bar, your volume DOESN'T change, does it? Your notes only go higher and lower.

While Vibrato is a technique where you move your finger up and down the note boundaries, so it goes a little flat and a little sharp, giving it a wavy effect.

Look at the difference between you and Leo Fender, ones a successful guitar maker, creating the successful electric guitar as we know it, shaping the world of music with his creations.

Then there's you, flaming random people on UG, on how Leo Fender was a retard.

Great, I suppose you've never made mistakes then, if what you said was true?
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#37
well i bought the EMG85/81 set with the kerry king booster already in the razor, the sound
depends completely on your amp.
they sound crappy through my little hiwatt SS practice amp, they sound pretty damn good through my VK, and i get an almighty tone through my uncles orange half stack.

remember that if you have a ****ty amp, putting €200 pickups in your guitar wont make much of a difference.
it's like putting formula one tires on a '93 ford escort. there isnt much point.
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