#1
i saw a video on youtube a few weeks ago of sam totman completely messing up the heroes of our time solo at some festival or other.

now i cant find it

help anyone?


*this probably shouldnt be in the pit, but i couldnt find the dragonforce thread..
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#3
^^ no but he really did mess it up

he forgot it completely.
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I haven't seen the video, but seriously, what song did he NOT mess up?


I agree, got a feeling this may turn out to be a hate Dragonforce thread

Be quite funny to see though
#7
Haha Ive seen that video, its funny and annoying at the same time. Cant find it either now
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now i cant find it

help anyone?



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you know, i just said to the person sitting next to me something almost identical to that.

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#13
I'm pretty sure Dragonforce are deleting all the videos they make mistakes in, and thats why you can't find it. Soon all you'll have is the studio version of the songs.
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#16
He missed an entire solo when I saw them live last time, was quite funny how the band ripped into him at the end of the song
#19
Jesus, you Dragonforce haters really piss me off. Have any of you ever actually seen them live in person? You're probably all just judging them by the Pinkpop performance (which was terrible, I'll admit) and don't realise they are so much better now! I saw them live recently, and they were great! The only mistake I heard was the keyboardist going out of time, but it took him about 2 seconds to correct himself.

Hell, I used to hate them aswell until that performance. So stop judging them by some youtube videos and gtfo.

But anyway, I think the video TS means is where Sam goes completely out of key, gives the thumbs down and buggers off. Is that it?
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Jesus, you Dragonforce haters really piss me off. Have any of you ever actually seen them live in person? You're probably all just judging them by the Pinkpop performance (which was terrible, I'll admit) and don't realise they are so much better now! I saw them live recently, and they were great! The only mistake I heard was the keyboardist going out of time, but it took him about 2 seconds to correct himself.

Hell, I used to hate them aswell until that performance. So stop judging them by some youtube videos and gtfo.

But anyway, I think the video TS means is where Sam goes completely out of key, gives the thumbs down and buggers off. Is that it?



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Jesus, you Dragonforce haters really piss me off. Have any of you ever actually seen them live in person? You're probably all just judging them by the Pinkpop performance (which was terrible, I'll admit) and don't realise they are so much better now! I saw them live recently, and they were great! The only mistake I heard was the keyboardist going out of time, but it took him about 2 seconds to correct himself.

Hell, I used to hate them aswell until that performance. So stop judging them by some youtube videos and gtfo.

But anyway, I think the video TS means is where Sam goes completely out of key, gives the thumbs down and buggers off. Is that it?


Dragonforce aren't worth the effort it takes to hate something.
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Jesus, you Dragonforce haters really piss me off. Have any of you ever actually seen them live in person? You're probably all just judging them by the Pinkpop performance (which was terrible, I'll admit) and don't realise they are so much better now! I saw them live recently, and they were great! The only mistake I heard was the keyboardist going out of time, but it took him about 2 seconds to correct himself.

Hell, I used to hate them aswell until that performance. So stop judging them by some youtube videos and gtfo.

But anyway, I think the video TS means is where Sam goes completely out of key, gives the thumbs down and buggers off. Is that it?
This.

And for all the haters... I don't like Dragonforce music, but Sam Totman and Herman Li ARE great guitar players. Are you able to play their songs at full speed? I guess no, so please shut up.

It's OBVIOUS that they speed up songs in studio... they are not easy! If you think that they shouldn't, why don't you record them? Come on, play Through The Fire And Flames fluently at full speed without errors and without going out of time and record it.
#23
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This.

And for all the haters... I don't like Dragonforce music, but Sam Totman and Herman Li ARE great guitar players. Are you able to play their songs at full speed? I guess no, so please shut up.

It's OBVIOUS that they speed up songs in studio... they are not easy! If you think that they shouldn't, why don't you record them? Come on, play Through The Fire And Flames fluently at full speed without errors and without going out of time and record it.


No, a lot of us can't play their music at full speed.

Now give me one good reason why they should get the ****ing credit of being able to play it when they actually can't. I have not seen ONE video of them playing it correctly. Why should I respect a band that can't play their own ****ing music.

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This.

And for all the haters... I don't like Dragonforce music, but Sam Totman and Herman Li ARE great guitar players. Are you able to play their songs at full speed? I guess no, so please shut up.

It's OBVIOUS that they speed up songs in studio... they are not easy! If you think that they shouldn't, why don't you record them? Come on, play Through The Fire And Flames fluently at full speed without errors and without going out of time and record it.


I'm taking the piss mainly, but come on man are you actually saying it's OK for a band to create music that they can't even play?
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No, a lot of us can't play their music at full speed.

Now give me one good reason why they should get the ****ing credit of being able to play it when they actually can't. I have not seen ONE video of them playing it correctly. Why should I respect a band that can't play their own ****ing music.
Because they are still great guitar players, better than almost anyone here on UG. I agree that they should play easier stuffs, so they can play without errors, but I don't care. They are good guitar players, and they aren't that bad live. Some of my friends watched them live several times and said that they were perfect and with no errors. Haters don't put on YouTube good videos, only crappy ones where they do mistakes.

P.S.: why don't you hate pop singers that play in playback instead? They aren't even able to sing their easy stuffs. At least Dragonforce songs are damn hard.
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Because they are still great guitar players, better than almost anyone here on UG. I agree that they should play easier stuffs, so they can play without errors, but I don't care. They are good guitar players, and they aren't that bad live. Some of my friends watched them live several times and said that they were perfect and with no errors. Haters don't put on YouTube good videos, only crappy ones where they do mistakes.

P.S.: why don't you hate pop singers that play in playback instead? They aren't even able to sing their easy stuffs. At least Dragonforce songs are damn hard.

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People's ****ty camera phones =/= Professional Camera's.
It's not really a fair comparison.
Also you guys know that all professional live DVD are edited and mixed, right? All bands make mistakes, no one is perfect.
#28
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Also you guys know that all professional live DVD are edited and mixed, right? All bands make mistakes, no one is perfect.

I'll give credit where credit is due, I like Herman, and I think he's ABOVE average certainly, but Sam just seems to fall below most player's standards.
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Because they are still great guitar players, better than almost anyone here on UG. I agree that they should play easier stuffs, so they can play without errors, but I don't care. They are good guitar players, and they aren't that bad live. Some of my friends watched them live several times and said that they were perfect and with no errors. Haters don't put on YouTube good videos, only crappy ones where they do mistakes.

P.S.: why don't you hate pop singers that play in playback instead? They aren't even able to sing their easy stuffs. At least Dragonforce songs are damn hard.


You're assuming I respect pop singers? Nice one

They are technical and skilled. In my opinion that does not make them good guitarists. None of their music impresses me. It gives me headaches and bores me. In my opinion they aren't worth any respect at all.

By the way, I prefer simple stuff to technical stuff. Technicality doesn't make ANYTHING good by default.

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You're assuming I respect pop singers? Nice one

They are technical and skilled. In my opinion that does not make them good guitarists. None of their music impresses me. It gives me headaches and bores me. In my opinion they aren't worth any respect at all.

By the way, I prefer simple stuff to technical stuff. Technicality doesn't make ANYTHING good by default.
I know, I don't like their music. I listen to metal, but I really don't like Dragonforce. I have only said that they are "good" guitarists... and for "good" I mean skilled and technical. They are not great composers though.
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I know, I don't like their music. I listen to metal, but I really don't like Dragonforce. I have only said that they are "good" guitarists... and for "good" I mean skilled and technical. They are not great composers though.

Which part of their playing is skilled and technical? Because the last time i checked, playing sloppily was bad, whatever speed it's at. I can play at 3490485748975 bpm, but i can't play it with hands sync'd without mistakes, just like DF can't play their own stuff with hands sync'd and without mistakes.
#32
Sam Totman reminds me of some cheesy actor I once saw on tv when I was younger. He's probably worst guitar player after lil wayne. can you even call lil wayne a guitarist?

And about the vid I remember some guy here in the pit having it in his sig. Good times, herman Li had to save his ass when he just choked.

I wonder how it feels like to go to a dragonforce concert. Herman Li keep's on falling, Sam Totman can't play correctly.

I saw a video where sam totman were playing power chords, and he said "we do it like this instead to make it sounds cooler" and he tried to put in some slides etc. And while doing so he completely failed the simple rhythm part he was playing. HOW DID HE GET SIGNED IN THE FIRST PLACE!??!?!
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#34
i agree with boreamor, on so many levels. sam and herman ARE good, its just that people take their mistakes that they occassionally make and blow them totally out of proportion, which isnt fair. i have a feeling so much of this dragonforce hate is simply bandwagoning on the opinion that "lol they make mistakes because theyre drunk they suck hahhahaha" but if you people actually listened with your own opinion and not with the one of a bunch of kids on the internet you might find you actually like them

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#35
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i agree with boreamor, on so many levels. sam and herman ARE good, its just that people take their mistakes that they occassionally make and blow them totally out of proportion, which isnt fair. i have a feeling so much of this dragonforce hate is simply bandwagoning on the opinion that "lol they make mistakes because theyre drunk they suck hahhahaha" but if you people actually listened with your own opinion and not with the one of a bunch of kids on the internet you might find you actually like them

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NO.


Herman Li is good or I think he's good. But Sam Totman he's rubbish and doesnt belong anywhere near a guitar. And being drunk isnt an excuse for being a bad guitar player.
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Come on, play Through The Fire And Flames fluently at full speed without errors and without going out of time and record it.

Or to give it that Dragonforce feel, we could play like sh*t and just use a lot of studio editing to give the illusion we have talent