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sethp
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after trying to sand down the back, and having great difficulty

as seen in this link: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1070523&highlight=dkmg+jackson

i started picking at a chip in the finish and it started coming coming off. so i got a razor blade and basically peeled away the rest of the finish instead of trying to sand everything off and possibly sanding thru the veneer top.
also, chipping and peeling off the finish creates a lot less dust to breath in.

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i thought the maple would be more blond underneath. i'll try sanding it down a bit and then re-staining it with something else
Last edited by sethp at Feb 24, 2009,
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it was probably dyed black before they put the laquer over it, sanding might help depending on how think the veneer is
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you are one patient dude
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I'm also going to strip off the plastic binding on the fret board and the headstock. gonna strip off the black veneer on the face of the headstock and glue on a flamed maple veneer to match the body.
then i'm going to re-do the fret board binding with maple, and the headstock binding with rosewood
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Looks pretty cool. Put some clear on it.


i want to do a satin finish. i don't really like the high-gloss look. it always gets smudgey
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just rebuilt and tuned it back up
i'm going to be re-doing the headstock and the binding all around

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i can't be bothered with flipping the pics the right way
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Quote by Kolanski
you are one patient dude


actually, i was finding that the sanding technique was not as effectual as i'd like it to be so i really just started hacking at the finish with a sharp object in order to chip it off in large chunks
hahahahahaha

so no, i wasn't really that patient.
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Just leave it like that, but if you do insist on finishing it, sand it smooth with like 600 and then use some tung oil on it.
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Quote by SG310user
Just leave it like that, but if you do insist on finishing it, sand it smooth with like 600 and then use some tung oil on it.


Or, dont oil it and sand it to like 2000 grit, seriously shiny wood that isn't finished is amazing :]

Or oil it and do that
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so now i'm stripping the back and i'm thinking of doing the purple to orange burst on the back, but its an alder wood?

btw, i want the kind of finish that these guitars have:
http://www.blackmachine.net/

Quote by Dark_Merlin
Or, dont oil it and sand it to like 2000 grit, seriously shiny wood that isn't finished is amazing :]

Or oil it and do that


what do you mean? the top is a veneer. i don't want to bust thru it. what happens with 2000 grit?

edit: you dudes don't even know how i'm going to do my headstock. if i can do what i'm thinking of, it will flip you out!
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2000 grit sand paper is ultra-ultra-ultra fine, 1000 grit and higher are normally used for polishing plastics and getting your finish really shiny, but when you do it to just wood or oiled wood, you get a really smooth and kinda shiny gloss to it, without the clear coat stickiness
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Well sand smooth with 600, oil, sand with 2000. Super slick and super awesome wood!
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you know why it was hard to sand? You still had everything on the body, you were actually supposed to take everything off
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you know why it was hard to sand? You still had everything on the body, you were actually supposed to take everything off


but at least i still got to play it while i was working on it... up to a point when i had to get between the pickups and the bridge and the neck, and under the knobs.
it needed a new set of strings anyway.
i'm going to http://www.mccurdyguitars.com/
and he's going to hook me up with a piece of flame maple for my headstock. i'll probably bring my guitar with, and take some video too.

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obviously i've got some work to do on this side
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This is off-topic really, but what sort of 500k pots do you have (assuming those are what you're using for your Seymour Duncan pickups, and also assuming they came with the DKMG EMG-HZ models)? I've looked many places for suitable 500k pots that would fit in a Jackson guitar, but have been unsuccessful.
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how do you plan on getting the binding off?
and i love the chipping off idea. brilliant


this guitar has a LOOONNG history, but i have another dkmg neck that i practiced on, and the binding seemed to just peel right off. but i'll probably score it with a razor blade so there's less of a chance to crack wood off with it.

Quote by keennay
This is off-topic really, but what sort of 500k pots do you have (assuming those are what you're using for your Seymour Duncan pickups, and also assuming they came with the DKMG EMG-HZ models)? I've looked many places for suitable 500k pots that would fit in a Jackson guitar, but have been unsuccessful.


its an older model of the dkmg. one that came with the emg-hz, a master vol, master tone and a booster. but i completely mod'ed everything. i've got a concentric pot for 2 master volumes. and 2 push/pull tone pots. but what do mean they wont fit?
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Quote by sethp
its an older model of the dkmg. one that came with the emg-hz, a master vol, master tone and a booster. but i completely mod'ed everything. i've got a concentric pot for 2 master volumes. and 2 push/pull tone pots. but what do mean they wont fit?


I've actually bought two sets CTS brand 500K pots now. The first set contained Split Long-Shaft pots, which could not go through my volume/tones holes. I then purchased Split Short-Shaft pots thinking they'd fit, but they didn't.

I was just wondering which brand of split long-shaft pots you went for, seeing as my older pots were also long-shaft (25K), but I already see you have concentric pots instead. Also, the diameters of the shafts measured 3/8".
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finally got the whole thing stripped... except for the part under the neck plate. but i'll do that last little bit when i take the guitar apart again to stain the back, and finish the front

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plug for rick mccurdy at http://www.mccurdyguitars.com/ for giving me some flame maple veneer to re-top the headstock

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gonna stain the back of the guitar some sort of honey tint. so should i

1. try to match the headstock tint to the front of the body, and do a maple binding?
or
2. do the headstock tint to match the back of the guitar with a rosewood binding?

the fret board is going to get a maple binding
Last edited by sethp at Feb 25, 2009,
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match the headstock to the top of the body if you can
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Quote by keennay
I've actually bought two sets CTS brand 500K pots now. The first set contained Split Long-Shaft pots, which could not go through my volume/tones holes. I then purchased Split Short-Shaft pots thinking they'd fit, but they didn't.

I was just wondering which brand of split long-shaft pots you went for, seeing as my older pots were also long-shaft (25K), but I already see you have concentric pots instead. Also, the diameters of the shafts measured 3/8".

I have the exact same question, I have a Jackson EX Stealth and I'm planning on putting two coil split push pull pots in it so I can individually tap both humbuckers in it... so what fits in yours?
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Quote by wizards?
I have the exact same question, I have a Jackson EX Stealth and I'm planning on putting two coil split push pull pots in it so I can individually tap both humbuckers in it... so what fits in yours?


i think these are the ones that i got
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Potentiometers/Push-pull_Pots.html

the shaft is a little smaller than the hole they go into, but the only other splitter-pots i found were slightly too big for the hole
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help me figure out the back of this guitar please?
so i'm going to do the headstock like the front of the body, so should i do the back of the headstock like the back of the body and have the back of the neck be the same offset-tint? like same "value" of color.... respectively as the fret-board is the sam "value" but a different tint as the body (and subsequently headstock).
but like a honey/lemon for the back?
that is "IF" i can re-finish the neck

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oh, and i'm going to do something with the tremolo and pot cavity covers. probably do something to mimic the front.

edit: wait just a second... i think i see my answer
the soap and the dish. i'm a freak'n genius. now how would i get those exact tint values?
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sethp
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got almost all of my building material, except for glue and the tru-oil
i guess i don't use elmers, huh? going with tite-bond
anyway, what i have here is:

1. Jackson DKMG neck w/ broken headstock (long story) to practice applying the binding
2. broken piece of jackson headstock
3. veneer from previous posting
4, old basswood body that i was going to build up into a new guitar but didn't. no biggie, long story. gonna practice staining on this body before i do the Jackson
5. 4 strips of maple binding and 1 strip of rosewood binding from stewmac.com
5a. i wanted to get excess binding so i could practice. and i got a length of rosewood just in case i stain the headstock veneer in an amber to match the back of the bod, instead of matching the front of the body
6. colortone stain from stewmac.com. Tobacco and amber. i got tobacco cuz that's what the face of the body looks like to me

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Gotta love the pictures.
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i need to hear this story on how you broke the headstock lol
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I have been following this for ages and it is coming along great that wood actually doesn't look to bad.

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i need to hear this story on how you broke the headstock lol

i bought the guitar off of ebay with the broken headstock for $175. then i bought a new neck off of the 'bay for another $150
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why didn't you just fix the broken headstock and save $150?
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why didn't you just fix the broken headstock and save $150?


i brought it to my local guitar tech, who's literally rebuilt headstocks from splinters. and she couldn't do it, cuz the original repair job was done with stuff called gorilla glue. which left a residue that couldn't be cleaned off
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Cmon hurry up with this I wanna see this finished bad.

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Cmon hurry up with this I wanna see this finished bad.


ok, the next time i need a string change, i'll strip it down again and do the rest.
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dye dripped into a wet napkin

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re-constructed veneer all taped off. new section sanded down

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dyeing the new section

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un-taped, un-color-balanced headstock

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underbelly of a silly, baby-Bartey kitty

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top-side of said kitty

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headstock sanded down a little too much... will be stained a little darker

now i'm thinking about doing a wood stripe down the center of the body and the headstock with the binding that i got
Last edited by sethp at Apr 19, 2009,
sethp
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i had originally done the headstock with a different section of veneer, but i didn't like the way the striping was. it was too wide. so i peeled it off and stripped the residue back to the bare headstock. and glued down the new piece.

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