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#1
Hey guys

I've currently got a Peavey 5150 head, with a 4x12 cab

Only thing is, it's too loud for practice volumes, is there any way I could make the volume going to the speakers quieter, so I can still get the power amp distortion, outside of getting a smaller set of speakers?

Thanks
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Last edited by wizzywozzy at Feb 24, 2009,
#2
look into an attenuator.
i used to be a mod, then i took an arrow in the knee.
#3
what kind should I get, cos from a quick google search I've fond ones from £10 up to £250

Sorry, I'm pretty new to this
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#4
Weber makes great, cheap attenuators.

http://www.tedweber.com/atten.htm

I feel you with those peaveys man, I got rid of mine basically because i couldnt crank the damn thing.
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Weber makes great, cheap attenuators.

http://www.tedweber.com/atten.htm

I feel you with those peaveys man, I got rid of mine basically because i couldnt crank the damn thing.



+1 for the weber.
i used to be a mod, then i took an arrow in the knee.
#6
yeah, **** sucks

So.. attenuator's are a bit expensive...
Anything a bit cheaper?

I've heard something about removing 2 power amp vales, does this work?

Also, what wattage of attenuator should I get?
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Last edited by wizzywozzy at Feb 24, 2009,
#7
Quote by wizzywozzy
yeah, **** sucks

So.. attenuator's are a bit expensive...
Anything a bit cheaper?

I've heard something about removing 2 power amp vales, does this work?


It wont make it quieter, it ill only make powe tube distortion happen earlier. At bedroom volumes, it wont make a big enough difference IMO.
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#8
I said nothing about bedroom volumes, when I have band practice and a friends house. I can have the volume up to about 4, would it make a difference there?
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#9
anyone know if it'd make a difference at 4?

and what wattage of attenuator should I get, I believe the Peavey 5150 is 80 watts
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#10
I've got the same problem dude
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#11
Wow, I'd be interested in getting something like this.

Do they modify your tone at all? Or do they essentially give you the same high volume tones, but at a quieter volume?
#13
pulling a tube will drop you from 100 watts to 50 watts, which makes your amp exactly 12% quieter according to your ear and stresses components more so they're more likely to fail sooner. You might be able to turn the volume to 4 1/2.

Not worth it.
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#14
well i dont know if it's not worth it.

i mean, it's free and it's towards his goal right?
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well i dont know if it's not worth it.

i mean, it's free and it's towards his goal right?


At the possibility of junking out the rest of his amp, sure...
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#16
Pulling the tubes would make the power amp break up come sooner. But its not like your gonna be able to crank it to 8. The volume diff between a 50 and 100 watt isnt that much. If you want bedroom level but still want the tube break up with a tube amp theres no way around an attenuator or a smaller amp.
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At the possibility of junking out the rest of his amp, sure...



so pulling tubes junks an amp?
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so pulling tubes junks an amp?


Not necessarily. I'm not going to recommend they do it w/o being able to check voltages and stuff myself, I don't want someone coming back to me it two months saying "my OT melted down and it's a $250 repair job thanks to you".

If you keep asking, I'm sure someone will say it'll be fine. I guarantee nothing myself though...
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so pulling tubes junks an amp?

depending on the amp...can't do it with an ac30 for example

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#21
^ha, yeah i was kind of tongue in cheek up there.

i've been explaining to new guys how to set up guitars for a long time in eg.

havent broken a neck, because we go step by step when we adjust.

i'm not telling him randomly to start pulling tubes.
but there's a good chance he can get more out of his amp if he looks into, or has a tech pull or replace tubes.

he's not looking to play bedroom levels here. post #8.


i think i was just responding to "not worth it." more than anything.

it's worth looking into, if it's worth it to him.

attenuators also work well. they do wear the tubes faster, but that's only because you're driving them the way you want to.
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^ha, yeah i was kind of tongue in cheek up there.

i've been explaining to new guys how to set up guitars for a long time in eg.

havent broken a neck, because we go step by step when we adjust.

i'm not telling him randomly to start pulling tubes.
but there's a good chance he can get more out of his amp if he looks into, or has a tech pull or replace tubes.

he's not looking to play bedroom levels here. post #8.


i think i was just responding to "not worth it." more than anything.

it's worth looking into, if it's worth it to him.

attenuators also work well. they do wear the tubes faster, but that's only because you're driving them the way you want to.

i know what you're saying!
TS, just make shure the pulling-tubes thing is ok with your amp! i have no clue about peaveys!

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^manual, email peavey, google...

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#25
not OP, but I'd like to do the same thing, and I have my manual here...

what would I be looking for?
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#26
you gotta look it up.

look up your model, go to forums for that model, ask the guys that own them which tubess if any have they pulled.

or walk it into a tech shop, ask the guy to point you in the right direction.

a lot of guys pull tubes. but like said, it's on you to find out about your model.
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#27
yea sorry but the most practical and most efficient way to keep your tone while dropping the volume is an attenuator. I love my weber attenuator, and it works very well
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#28
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pulling a tube will drop you from 100 watts to 50 watts, which makes your amp exactly 12% quieter according to your ear and stresses components more so they're more likely to fail sooner. You might be able to turn the volume to 4 1/2.

Not worth it.


pulling A tube would be extremely harmful

pulling 2 (assuming it's a safe combination, and you have 4 power tubes) shouldnt do any harm

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#29
yeah, I was going to pull the outer pair, I'm assuming you'd take out either the inner pair or the outer pair yeah?
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#30
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yeah, I was going to pull the outer pair, I'm assuming you'd take out either the inner pair or the outer pair yeah?

Make sure you check...saw a Mesa where you'd have to pull the left two or the right two.

Highly unlikely here tho.

Regarding just pulling two w/o checking things, two tubes will be less strain on your power supply, so voltages will drift upwards. probably OK, possibly very bad.
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#31
would there be anything I could do myself to see which pair/if I can even do it?

I've left a post on the peavey.com's forums, but they don't seem to be too busy -.-
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#32
From what I can find the 5150 uses 6L6 tubes, many times you can put 6V6 tubes in their place. It may not be as simple as putting a set of 6V6 in and go. Depends on voltages might have to mod it a little. But something to look into as it would reduce its overall wattage without needing to pull tubes. There are also the yellow jacket converters to use lower wattage tubes and they are supposed to be something you can take in and out without much trouble.
#33
Yellow jacket converters?
6V6 tubes?

What're these?

also, I think me and OP are looking for cheap solutions
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#34
well i have a question (yes i do know to use the searchbar first!)

I am going off to college next year and will need an attenuator (will be in a dorm for first 2 or so years), I play for fun at the moment (I have no idea if i will ever play at gigs) and i have this amp:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/B-52-AT-112-60-Watt-1x12--Tube-Combo-Amp-103733606-i1170731.gc

which attenuator should i get?

PS: I will be getting an MXR 10 band EQ and an ISP decimator shortly BTW
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http://www.guitarcenter.com/B-52-AT-112-60-Watt-1x12--Tube-Combo-Amp-103733606-i1170731.gc

which attenuator should i get?

PS: I will be getting an MXR 10 band EQ and an ISP decimator shortly BTW


A 100 watt Weber Mass Lite.
The volume and the gain on my MXR works really well when the EQ is in the FX loop. Pull back on those and adjust - it'll help out a lot with your low volume tone.
An OD is good too.
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^wouldnt a 50 be enough?
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#37
6V6 tubes are just a different type of tube that are lower wattage than 6L6. Be like replacing the power tubes in terms of cost depending on if there were any mods needed for the amp. And the yellow jackets use el84 tubes but fit in the sockets of other tubes. Either is gonna be less than an attenuator.
#38
I'm 99% sure you can pull tubes on the 5150. You'd wanna pull the inner two so two left would be a little cooler. You would also need to double the load on the amp. So, if you're running an 8 ohm cab into the 8 ohm output, you'd run the cab off the 4 ohm output, double the load. As long as you double the load you aren't stressing the amp anymore. Cranking it more will put more stress on it, but that's what you're after.

An attenuators might work for you, if you're barely attenuating. If you want to get very quiet they do a crap job, I should know. If you need to go very quiet a reamping rig will do much better for not much more. Even for you guys who only need to shed a little volume a reamping rig wouldn't be a bad idea. You could easily set one up for about 150-180 dollars.
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#39
Noise proof your room.
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^wouldnt a 50 be enough?


No. You want the attenuator to handle more.
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