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#1
It would make sense for all, not just floyd rose, guitars to have locking nuts, so you could tune & lock it and never go out of tune unless you cross the linear elastic limit of the strings.

Whereas now you will go out a bit even with locking tuners due to strings getting stuck in the nuts while bending, not to mention regular tuners giving way to the strings.
Last edited by 1337void at Feb 24, 2009,
#3
Because they're ugly, and I'm pretty sure they only work with the Floyd Rose's micro-tuners.
If you want it so bad, just spend the $2 they cost and install it yourself.
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#5
Because they sound different, and people like me are not willing to compromise on tone.
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#6
Yeah i think the locking nuts can be a hassle too.
But if i have a whammy bar, i definitely want the locking nut.
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#7
Because many guitars can hold their tuning just fine without one.
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#8
When you lock a locking nut the strings get knocked out of tune slightly and without fine tuners on the bridge side, it's pointless really
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#9
Well what if i wanted to bend behind the nut? locking nuts would stop me from doing that :P Eh?
#10
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they only work with (the Floyd Rose's) micro-tuners.

this. as you lock the strings in the nut, they go sharp a bit > that's why the floys has micro-tuners

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#11
There's really no need. And I like the ability to change tunings. I'd never want a locking nut.

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#12
Because not every guitarist needs a locking nut,it's that simple.Just like not every guitarist needs a trem or 24 frets,it's all a matter of individual need and preference.Also,a well built guitar wont go out of tune because of bends and other finger techniques,well,at least every high quality instrument I've ever played didn't.

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#13
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Because many guitars can hold their tuning just fine without one.

this


guitars DONT need locking nuts to be in tune.
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#14
Also, don't forget about locking tuners. My guitar stays in tune just fine when I do divebombs on the non-FR trem for 20 minutes straight, beacuse of Grover 18:1 locking tuners.
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#15
Quote by Demonikk
When you lock a locking nut the strings get knocked out of tune slightly and without fine tuners on the bridge side, it's pointless really


+1

If the guitar didn't have fine tuners on the bridge, the strings would all be sharp
#16
Quote by 1337void
It would make sense for all, not just floyd rose, guitars to have locking nuts, so you could tune & lock it and never go out of tune unless you cross the linear elastic limit of the strings.

Whereas now you will go out a bit even with locking tuners due to strings getting stuck in the nuts while bending, not to mention regular tuners giving way to the strings.

stretch your strings, wind them on the tuners properly.

Like everyone else has said, a locking nut is uselelss if you don't have fine tuners.
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#17
If I had a locking nut on a hardtail guitar, I'd kill myself.
There's no reason. Think about it, if you have tuning problems, get better tuners, a lot easier and more practical. If that fails, learn how to string it more effectively. A locking tuner would be a waste of time if you didn't have a locking trem. Hell sometimes it's a waste of time with a locking trem.
#18
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If I had a locking nut on a hardtail guitar, I'd kill myself.
There's no reason. Think about it, if you have tuning problems, get better tuners, a lot easier and more practical. If that fails, learn how to string it more effectively. A locking tuner would be a waste of time if you didn't have a locking trem. Hell sometimes it's a waste of time with a locking trem.

I believe you mean locking nut. Not tuner.
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#19
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Because many guitars can hold their tuning just fine without one.

This.
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#20
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Because many guitars can hold their tuning just fine without one.


This.


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#21
Quote by 1337void
It would make sense for all, not just floyd rose, guitars to have locking nuts, so you could tune & lock it and never go out of tune unless you cross the linear elastic limit of the strings.

Whereas now you will go out a bit even with locking tuners due to strings getting stuck in the nuts while bending, not to mention regular tuners giving way to the strings.

Lern2lube.

Also, locking tuners.

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#22
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Because they sound different, and people like me are not willing to compromise on tone.

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#23
Quote by Demonikk
When you lock a locking nut the strings get knocked out of tune slightly and without fine tuners on the bridge side, it's pointless really



dude look at my dammed guitar. i have a floyd rose.. and locking nuts... but i have to turn the fine tuning pegs alllll the way in to the bridge, guess why?

my dammed bridge is too high and if my fine tuning screws are slightly raised, they pinch my arm!! they actually stop my movement.. i dont know what to do... i dont know how to lower the bridge.
#24
You need fine tuners in the bridge to properly tune a guitar with a locking nut.
It compromises tone, to a degree.
It'd increase the prices of guitars.
Some people find it uncomfortable and are unwilling to adapt to it.

You can have great tuning stability if you take good care of your strings, have decent tuners and pay attention to the nut. No need for a locking nut, which would be a hassle to someone who changes tuning often.
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#25
Locking tuners and a Graphite Nut fix this problem are a much better idea than a locking nut on most things other than floyd equipped guitars IMO.
#26
My guitars (except one) can hold tunings perfectly for a long time. Plus the amount of times i can go from Drop d to E to Eb in a week makes it pretty pointless having a locking nut.
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#27
Thank god they don't. That's all I have to say.

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#28
This would make no sense they make locking TUNERS for this purpose. You cant have a locking nut without some sort of fine tuners because otherwise you will lock down and it will go out of tune again, this is why floyd systems have fine tuners.

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#29
1) Locking the nuts brings the guitars out of tune.
2) Most fixed bridge guitars don't have fine tuners to fix the first problem.
3) Because of the second problem, the player would have to unlock the nut every time they want to re-tune
4) After problem 3 has been fixed, it goes right back to problem 1.
5) Aside from the first 4 problems, it's been said already, most fixed bridge guitars can hold their tuning just fine without one.
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#30
i f'ing hate the idea of locking nut and tuners. that was the number one reason for me from getting a floyd rose equipped guitar. since i like to change tunings more often then i needed to.
#31
I disagree with the said "tone problem" though, because as a fan of metal, I enjoy brighter tone, which the locking nut, as it's made of nickel (or steel? I can't remember which) offers.
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#32
Because we touch our non locking nuts at night. You're nuts have to be free.
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#33
Quote by playerofguitar7
dude look at my dammed guitar. i have a floyd rose.. and locking nuts... but i have to turn the fine tuning pegs alllll the way in to the bridge, guess why?

my dammed bridge is too high and if my fine tuning screws are slightly raised, they pinch my arm!! they actually stop my movement.. i dont know what to do... i dont know how to lower the bridge.

check the FR setup thread at the top of the forum. that should tell have all the info you need.
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#34
Quote by playerofguitar7
dude look at my dammed guitar. i have a floyd rose.. and locking nuts... but i have to turn the fine tuning pegs alllll the way in to the bridge, guess why?

my dammed bridge is too high and if my fine tuning screws are slightly raised, they pinch my arm!! they actually stop my movement.. i dont know what to do... i dont know how to lower the bridge.



flip the guitar over, look in there. add springs and adjust the screws to level the bridge and like said, there's a floyd tutorial at top of page.


and i think the TS thinks that everyone has fine tuners.
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#35
if it aint broke don't fix it - there's no need to have locking nuts. a good quality hardtail guitar will stay in tune perfectly well without one.
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#36
A lot of people are mentioning that a locking nut brings a guitar out of tune. While I agree that this is typically the case, a wise sage once told me if locking down the nut does make the strings go sharp, the retainer on the opposite side of the nut is not adjusted properly.

EDIT: Knew I read it somewhere as well... http://www.jemsite.com/tech-setup-a-questions/22-tech-setup-questions/652-tech-setup-step-7-string-retaining-bar.html

More on topic however, I once wanted to install one of those Gibson TP-6 tails as well as a locking nut on one of my TOM equipped guitars. Finally decided against it as I came to believe locking nuts do strangle the strings somewhat.
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#37
Quote by jm1681
A lot of people are mentioning that a locking nut brings a guitar out of tune. While I agree that this is typically the case, a wise sage once told me if locking down the nut does make the strings go sharp, the retainer on the opposite side of the nut is not adjusted properly.

EDIT: Knew I read it somewhere as well... http://www.jemsite.com/tech-setup-a-questions/22-tech-setup-questions/652-tech-setup-step-7-string-retaining-bar.html

More on topic however, I once wanted to install one of those Gibson TP-6 tails as well as a locking nut on one of my TOM equipped guitars. Finally decided against it as I came to believe locking nuts do strangle the strings somewhat.


Well on a floyd equipped guitar it doesnt make you out of tune to lock the nut down because of the presence of your fine tuners. If you didnt have those it would go out of tune every time you locked it as I and others have stated above
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#38
Quote by Demonikk
When you lock a locking nut the strings get knocked out of tune slightly and without fine tuners on the bridge side, it's pointless really

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The only reason why I would want a locking nut is if I had a locking bridge, like the Edge (III) Fixed.
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#39
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Well on a floyd equipped guitar it doesnt make you out of tune to lock the nut down because of the presence of your fine tuners. If you didnt have those it would go out of tune every time you locked it as I and others have stated above
So in other words, you didn't read the link I posted?

BTW, I adjusted the retainer on my only floyd equipped guitar years ago and it does NOT go out of tune when I lock it down.
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#40
Quote by jm1681
So in other words, you didn't read the link I posted?

BTW, I adjusted the retainer on my only floyd equipped guitar years ago and it does NOT go out of tune when I lock it down.


K read your link my post still stands

I understand what your saying im just saying that with a hardtail guitars its impossible to have a locking nut without fine tuners.
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