#5
Could be achieved with tremelo pedal and lots of reverb, not sure though.
#6
Quote by Equivalence
Sounds like a tremolo pedal to me, or a chorus of some kind

I thought it was a tremolo.

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Analog delay pedal set with a short delay time.

How sure are you?
#7
Dude that is HEAVY reverb. A VOX amp has a Dwell switch for reverb. Click it to high and you get that exact tone. That tune and the look of those guys really is Beatle-like. My guess is the guy was using a VOX amp and that's how he got that tone.

It isn't tremolo. The sound in that video can also be replicated by doing what another poster suggested - just monkey around with a delay pedal. However, it probably won't sound as great as using heavy reverb. You can buy a reverb pedal that will get you to that sound..
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#8
I can get a VERY similar tone out of my MXR Carbon Copy with a short delay and the modulation on - the modulation gives you a slight flanging like someone else suggested, and the short delay gives you that stutter-y effect.

EDIT: Reverb won't give you the stuttering/repeating sounds you can hear, it'll only give you an echo-y sound without the slight repeats after each note. It'll help fill out your sound and I'd definitely suggest it, but the main effect is a short analog delay.
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#9
Quote by RyanDV
I can get a VERY similar tone out of my MXR Carbon Copy with a short delay and the modulation on, gives you a mild flanging/chorus as someone else suggested.

EDIT: Reverb won't give you the stuttering/repeating sounds you can hear, it'll only give you an echo-y sound without the slight repeats after each note.

Yup, I own the Carbon copy and this man is right.
#10
I thought the question was about tone, not FX? Sell the Epi and Get a Rickenbacker. Then play with delay.
A decent amp helps too.
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#11
Quote by RyanDV
EDIT: Reverb won't give you the stuttering/repeating sounds you can hear, it'll only give you an echo-y sound without the slight repeats after each note.

Dude, I just played what that guy in the video played on my VOX amp. Dwell switch high, both Reverb knobs cranked all the way. Wasn't hard to get.

The stuttering/repeating you hear is the guy doing some tremolo picking. He also uses some tasty bends and his tremolo bar to put some waves into his tone. Listen to that video again. It is heavy reverb and a fine guitarist using his skills to create that sound.

Sure a delay pedal can get you there, but that sound is HEAVY reverb. No delay pedal is going to match a cool reverb tone.
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#12
Watch again, and look at the guitarist closely, especially at 1:03.

Doesn't look like tremolo picking to me. Not to mention a couple of amps have reverb built into them already, that tremolo picking all of that is going to be a huge inconvenience, and several repeats on an analog delay sound like you have more reverb than you actually have anyway. If you buy some **** digital delay like a DD-3 obviously you're going to get a sterile, "solid" repeat with no depth to it. Analog delays are known for being warmer and having more nuances to them than the average digital. I don't know about you, but when I crank the reverb on my amp and tremolo pick, I get too much attack on my notes and the "repeats" you create with tremolo picking sound wayy too loud and just stick out like an iceberg. His repeats are subtle and fill in the gaps between notes.

EDIT: if you really need further convincing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fbvRt6kRMc

Probably dial in more regen for more repeats, and maybe a tad more mix and there you go. Go and dial in more reverb if you want to fill out your sound even more, but really the delay is the whole basis of this sound.
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#13
Dude, I have been studying that video. There are points where you can see he is doing tremolo picking. There are points where you can also see him clearly pick one note...and it doesn't have any stuttering repeats. Hell, there are many moments in that video where you see him strum a chord and all you hear is the echo of that chord (or waves when he bends the trem bar). No repeats for the chord strums.

Look, that guy is a very good player. He can get you to think he has a pedal going when he doesn't. A good guitarist relies on his talent, not pedals. Trem picking is so subtle to see, but when done with heavy reverb it sounds so noticeable. He really doesn't have to move his hand much to get repeats.

Perhaps the guy had a bit of delay going, but man just watch when he strums chords - they don't repeat, they grow and fade. That's reverb.

I say HEAVY reverb and great technique.
#14
Quote by RyanDV
EDIT: if you really need further convincing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fbvRt6kRMc
.

If you need further convincing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRr68WDl0vg
That was recorded in 1955...over fifty years ago. Something tells me Elvis and his buddies didn't walk into a Guitar Center and buy one of those MXR M169 Carbon Copy Analog Delay pedals for that recording.

Heavy slapback.
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#15
Well anyone who's used an analog delay knows both chords and single, sustained notes don't sound like they repeat (at least clearly) because the sustain of the note "covers up" and overshadows the sound of the repeats. Sometimes you hear the chord's repeats very slightly. The video I linked you to sounds very similar, though obviously the guitarist from TS' video just has more mids/treble going on.

Either way, use whatever you want, because this argument is starting to get out of hand. :P Using BOTH a delay and reverb will get you closer, but obviously is not an option if you have a lower budget and don't own either.
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#16
As a producer I can instantly tell that there's reverb. Def tremolo. But I'm wondering if there is a pedal that can create that specific sound that Miles has in the vid. That sort of Western feel.
#17
I agree, this is going nowhere fast.

But the predominant sound in that video is reverb - HEAVY reverb. You instruct this original poster here to simply use a delay and he'll end up sounding like U2. He needs a ton of reverb to begin to get that sound. And of course some talent.
#18
Quote by Shief
That sort of Western feel.

That "western feel" is definitely a by-product of the guitar. You will need a hollow body to get that boom. You sure ain't gettin' it from a Gibson SG or something like that.

Hollow body guitar, heavy reverb, a touch of delay/echo and you can be there.
#19
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
I agree, this is going nowhere fast.

But the predominant sound in that video is reverb - HEAVY reverb. You instruct this original poster here to simply use a delay and he'll end up sounding like U2. He needs a ton of reverb to begin to get that sound. And of course some talent.

I've used VSTinstruments to try to achieve a Western sound and delay doesn't do it. Reverb yes. But that's just the start.
#20
I'm a producer also, though not a professional one. There is definitely reverb in this video. However, that's not what is causing the 'stuttering' sort of sound. Reverb causes the sound to sound like its in a larger space. However, the stuttering could be reproduced by tremolo, delay or both. In this video, there is definitely tremelo with reverb.


To achieve that 'western' sort of sound, turn the tone on your guitar up, up the mids and treble and cut the bass.
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#21
Quote by Junnage
I'm a producer also, though not a professional one. There is definitely reverb in this video. However, that's not what is causing the 'stuttering' sort of sound. Reverb causes the sound to sound like its in a larger space. However, the stuttering could be reproduced by tremolo, delay or both. In this video, there is definitely tremelo with reverb.


To achieve that 'western' sort of sound, turn the tone on your guitar up, up the mids and treble and cut the bass.

Yeah, Reverb is just a sense of space. It adds to the signal rather than changing it. I think there is double picking going on (but very subtle).
#22
Just heard it back. Sounds like a short snappy delay. Could by tremolo playing. Could be a combination of both.
#23
He is making use of tremolo picking. Listen to the single notes he picks - some have stuttering repeats while other notes are simply clean. He is tremolo picking some and others he is picking cleanly. Do you think he is stomping on a tremolo box every other note?
#24
I don't know much about fx and tone, but I don't think that guy trem picked even once.
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#25
Quote by jmag
I don't know much about fx and tone, but I don't think that guy trem picked even once.
You don't know much about trem picking either. Here's a video of the guy doing it live. You tell me exactly what the guy is doing at 53 seconds into the video and at 2:59 in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nyc88EAXVQ
#26
You are definitely right about video. He is definitely tremelo picking in that video. However, your video is from a different performance and is not necessarily what he's doing in the video that was given to us.

At about :25 to :35, you can clearly see he is not tremelo picking.
In 1:05 to 1:10 as well.
At about 1:40
1:57 - 2:00
2:25 - 2:30 At this point, he is somewhat fast picking, but you can hear there are more clicks than he's picking.
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#27
what "swell" button are you talking about on the vox's? My Vox doesn't have any buttons, what-so-ever... hmmm...
in anycase, that sound in the first video is some heavy, heavy reverb with trem to it. A delay or reverb pedal should get you that sound.
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#28
A LOT of reverb and short delay, I thought it was Tremolo at first, but as I listened more it sounds like delay.
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#29
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what "swell" button are you talking about on the vox's? My Vox doesn't have any buttons, what-so-ever... hmmm....

I don't have a "sewll" button on my VOX, I have a "Dwell" switch, "DWELL" with a "D", which is what I wrote. I have no idea what VOX you may have but the VOX AC30 has a Dwell switch for the reverb.
#30
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
I don't have a "sewll" button on my VOX, I have a "Dwell" switch, "DWELL" with a "D", which is what I wrote. I have no idea what VOX you may have but the VOX AC30 has a Dwell switch for the reverb.

is it one of the chinese made ones? Or one of the british mades ones? Cause my TB6 don't got no switches or button. I've got 2 swtiches (on and standby), 3 volumes (normal, bright, tremelo) 2 tremelo knobs and 3 EQ knobs (high, low and cut). I knew the CC's had a "channel blend" feature to mimic the jumping you can do with the old 6 input models and an OD channel, which the older ones lacked. But, do they have reverb as well?
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#31
it's NOT tremelo picking, the repeats are way to clean and perfect in time for that.

You can hear that's it's digitally in time.

Only petrucci could come maybe close to that kind of perfection, but it's still far more cleaner.

Maybe with perfect chops and heavy compressor if you really wanna do it the hard way, but this guy uses definitely a delay.

at 2:30 when he plays the last note the repeat goes on in 16th note form for like about 8 delay's till it fades, go ahead and slow down the recording, I bet you 50 bucks the guy moves his hand and you will still hear the guitar notes which are presumed tremelo picking.

You can't tell the difference between a digital repeat and a "human" repeat (tremelo picking)?

Seriously make the bet with me, I would even slow down the video for that to show.

It's definitely delay + reverb and a slight chorus.

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#32
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You can't tell the difference between a digital repeat and a "human" repeat (tremelo picking)?

Seriously make the bet with me,.

You'd lose the bet.
You tell me exactly what the guy is doing at :53 seconds into this video and at 2:59 in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nyc88EAXVQ
Seriously, you can't tell with your own eyes what the guy is doing?
#33
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
You'd lose the bet.
You tell me exactly what the guy is doing at :53 seconds into this video and at 2:59 in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nyc88EAXVQ
Seriously, you can't tell with your own eyes what the guy is doing?



MY ears are good enough, and my eyes even better.

You miss the point.

He might do some tremelo picking, but not up to speed of the sound, there's a 16th note delay.

With tremelo picking meaning every note you HEAR is picked, but it's with delay.

You can't hear the notes are faster then he's picking?

Have you never seen tremelo picking hands at high speed? they go waaay faster up and down.

The notes are slapped back in 16th's.

he's picking 8th notes in the 2nd vid you posted.

The tempo is roughly 115 and picking clean 16th notes that you hear at that tempo would result in a far faster hand movement.

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#34
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
You'd lose the bet.
You tell me exactly what the guy is doing at :53 seconds into this video and at 2:59 in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nyc88EAXVQ
Seriously, you can't tell with your own eyes what the guy is doing?

Then look at 1:03 in video the OP posted.

The fact of the matter is, the OP's video is in the studio, and your video's are live. The first could have very well been altered later, and the latter is probably reproducing the sound on the original record, with minimal stuff for the guitarist to worry about.

Could you all just agree to disagree? If you can get the sound with different setups, I think they've all been posted by now. Let the OP choose what he likes best and go forth.
#35
I'd like to add; at 2:31 - 2:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nyc88EAXVQ, you hear him turning up the "Rate" knob on a delay pedal, and down, and stops at about half the original speed at 2:41.

From 2:41 - 2:44 he's still on the floor holding down a "hold" button so it loops that sound. This works by holding it for 1 measure. This way you hear the sound going on and he can play another riff on top of it, which he does when he gets up again at 2:47

Go buy one and play a note and turn the knob up and down you will immediate hear it's delay pedal he's using.

I've had a delay pedal for 3 years I'm well aware of it's sound and capabilities

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