#1
Hey!

Today I got myself a Boss MT-2 pedal for very cheap. I do really like the sound I get from it, playing through it with an Epiphone Goth Explorer into a Peavey Bandit 112. BUT, when I play with rythm settings on it, the lead doesn't sound as I would like it to sound, it's too dry, I would like it to "scream" a lot more.

So: what would you say I could get to achieve the screaming lead? Would be nice to have it just a pedalclick away.

Getting a new amp or replacing the pedal is not an option, I love the rythm sound I get from it.

I play metal, mostly metalcore and melodeath.

Thanks in advance!
Last edited by Spo0nFace at Feb 24, 2009,
#2
What type of screaming lead do you want?

Also most awesome metal tones have a lot less gain then many people use today.
The MT-2 is more of a rhythm pedal too.
#3
one of the most underrated effects that is used is *Reverb*.

If you go through some solos of these artists..

Zakk Wylde..Tony Iommi..and Jimi Hendrix ...

you will notice that the "super sonic" notes they've hit on solos that seem to come out
flat and then rise up into the upper most part of the atmosphere have reverb as a vital
component.

OD+Reverb= awesome
OD+Reverb+Delay= Getting laid!

offsetting the balance of the EQ and giving treble priority will help brighten it up..
adding more mids will give you more crunch..but too much can hallow out your sound.

Compressors also give rhythm more presence..but you can lose some of the sound that comes from picking and fretting dynamincs.

For example: Marshall cabs don't really exactly sound like the studio recordings...
some people don't buy them because they are dissapointed..but add compressor
to the Marshall and you have that exact studio sound.
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Last edited by Washburnd Fretz at Feb 24, 2009,
#5
What pickups you using? Or the wiring could be bad if you don't got a lot of lead. For example I can plug my guitar in on a 6505 and put the gain at 6 and it's screaching with gain. My friend an turn it all the way up and still won't have enough gain because of his pickups. Also pickup placement helps with the screeching lead you want. You need to get a screw driver and move the pickups closer to the strings if they are to far away.
#6
washburn said it--REVERB! messin with recording at all teaches you reverb is the key to a real presence. Also-if you are serious about guitar, you are only wasting time and money(buying pedals and ****) until you get a professional amp- even a cheap one(which should come with reverb anyway)- i promise you can get a rythym tone youll like also.
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#7
Quote by Tempoe
Wah pedal.


thats a good idea..

but wah rhythm can have too much sizzle when combined with some
distortion or OD pedals. That's because it just boosts treble..

I'd just like the TS to keep that in mind.

Anyways.. I spent 5 years trying to figure out why my
solo sound just "wasn't right". One day I went to a guitar store and played
a 12-string..and it hit me. All that time I was overlooking Chorus.

Most players in Guitar shops are really cool..if u find a recording u can even take
it in at the point you like and say..*What did this guy step on to create this sound?*
They are usually happy to help.
I bet Charlie Brown's teacher's name was Mrs.Hammett
Last edited by Washburnd Fretz at Feb 24, 2009,
#8
Quote by Glavinage
What type of screaming lead do you want?

Also most awesome metal tones have a lot less gain then many people use today.
The MT-2 is more of a rhythm pedal too.


I love Jesper Strömblads (of In Flames) kind of lead tone, well not really screaming, but alot wetter (best word I can think of) than what I get from the set-up I'm using at the moment.

Quote by Washburnd Fretz
one of the most underrated effects that is used is *Reverb*.

If you go through some solos of these artists..

Zakk Wylde..Tony Iommi..and Jimi Hendrix ...

you will notice that the "super sonic" notes they've hit on solos that seem to come out
flat and then rise up into the upper most part of the atmosphere have reverb as a vital
component.

OD+Reverb= awesome
OD+Reverb+Delay= Getting laid!


I do have some reverb on on my amp, but I can't change that while playing, e.g going from a rythm part into a lead, and more reverb from the amp would kind of ruin my rythm tone.
#9
solo boost? like the katana? or something. A clean boost would add volume, another thing you can do is get an overdrive so that when you are playing, your overdrive will add more gain.
#10
Thanks for all the replies. :>

But now I'm pretty confused, what to get?

Wah, OD, more Reverb (?), Chorus?

And also: What Wah? What OD? What Reverb? What Chorus?
Last edited by Spo0nFace at Feb 24, 2009,
#11
im kind of confused..are you just trying to cut through the mix?

if so..and u just want your rhythm to be better..u can do that with a hot od pedal..
you probably dont need any more distortion than ur amp puts out..

most metal pedals have distortion+od...that metal zone has distortion..u probably
dont need distortion at all..

also ..try playing rhythm on the bridge..some metal players dont use the neck much.
Nu metal style pedals often throw distortion on you..when u dont need it at all...

od or booster pedal..if u need so really full rich solos..then reverb comes into effect..
I bet Charlie Brown's teacher's name was Mrs.Hammett
Last edited by Washburnd Fretz at Feb 24, 2009,
#12
sorry to jack your thread a little here but i have the same problem trying to get a lead to reeli cut it out through my fairly heavily distorted rhythm tone, are you saying a compressor and reverb may/will help this
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#13
Quote by Washburnd Fretz
im kind of confused..are you just trying to cut through the mix?

if so..and u just want your rhythm to be better..u can do that with a hot od pedal..
you probably dont need any more distortion than ur amp puts out..

most metal pedals have distortion+od...that metal zone has distortion..u probably
dont need distortion at all..

also ..try playing rhythm on the bridge..some metal players dont use the neck much.
Nu metal style pedals often throw distortion on you..when u dont need it at all...

od or booster pedal..if u need so really full rich solos..then reverb comes into effect..


No, I want my lead to kind of sing more, probably is reverb and OD I'm after.

I do play rythm on the bridge, I always use the bridge pickup.

Sorry for the confusion and thanks a lot for the help.
#14
ooohhhhhhhhh...hit this link...


do you mean this kind of singing? ..this intro?

...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDM8lqP_zMQ

Zakk's Patented *sounds like somethin alive* tone?
reverb baby!!!

metal pedals can have unwanted distortion
Od supes up your tone
reverb will make riffs and solos pop out into 3 dimensions.
I bet Charlie Brown's teacher's name was Mrs.Hammett
Last edited by Washburnd Fretz at Feb 24, 2009,
#15
Quote by Washburnd Fretz
ooohhhhhhhhh...hit this link...


do you mean this kind of singing? ..this intro?

...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDM8lqP_zMQ

Zakk's Patented *sounds like somethin alive* tone?
reverb baby!!!

metal pedals can have unwanted distortion
Od supes up your tone
reverb will make riffs and solos pop out into 3 dimensions.


Yes, like that, but without the wah.

I'll probably be going for an OD and a Reverb pedal. Got any recommendations? Nothing too crazy in price, and something that's available on this side of the big pond.

Thank a lot!
#16
Quote by Spo0nFace
Hey!

Today I got myself a Boss MT-2 pedal for very cheap. I do really like the sound I get from it, playing through it with an Epiphone Goth Explorer into a Peavey Bandit 112. BUT, when I play with rythm settings on it, the lead doesn't sound as I would like it to sound, it's too dry, I would like it to "scream" a lot more.

So: what would you say I could get to achieve the screaming lead? Would be nice to have it just a pedalclick away.

Getting a new amp or replacing the pedal is not an option, I love the rythm sound I get from it.

I play metal, mostly metalcore and melodeath.

Thanks in advance!

You're not going to get screaming lead tones from an MT2, it's crap. You'll get noisy, muddy, hissy distortion and that's about it.

Probably need a new amp to be honest, I had an old Bandit and I could never get a satisfactory lead tone from it. At the very least buy an EQ pedal, that might go some way to sorting the problem out. And ditch the Metal Zone.
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#17
Wow..i know the Zakk quota is filled on this thread...

but the Wylde overdrive is the hottest od ive heard..the only that gets too hot for me
to set at 10.
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#18
Quote by Spo0nFace
Yes, like that, but without the wah.

I'll probably be going for an OD and a Reverb pedal. Got any recommendations? Nothing too crazy in price, and something that's available on this side of the big pond.

Thank a lot!

EHX Holy Grail, Line 6 Verbzilla, Tech 21 Boost R.V.B. for reverb
Fulltone OCD, Zendrive, TS9 for OD

Quote by Washburnd Fretz
Wow..i know the Zakk quota is filled on this thread...

but the Wylde overdrive is the hottest od ive heard..the only that gets too hot for me
to set at 10.

If you mean the MXR overdrive, that's modeled after some Boss pedal; an SD-1 or an OD-3, IIRC.
Last edited by imicius at Feb 24, 2009,
#19
dont overtly ditch the mt-2.
everything has a use.... plus cannibal corpse uses them
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#20
Quote by hcsn2008
What pickups you using? Or the wiring could be bad if you don't got a lot of lead. For example I can plug my guitar in on a 6505 and put the gain at 6 and it's screaching with gain. My friend an turn it all the way up and still won't have enough gain because of his pickups. Also pickup placement helps with the screeching lead you want. You need to get a screw driver and move the pickups closer to the strings if they are to far away.

Couldn't be anything to do with his pickups.
A: he achieved a satisfactory rhythm tone, which he wouldn't if his pickups were at the "wrong" height
B: he is using a Bandit, which while better than a modelling amp in this respect, is still not responsive enough for pickups to matter

Whoever said buy an OD, you are wrong. ODs are designed to push a tube preamp; not something you'll find in a Peavey Bandit 112.

I would stop using the metal zone; last I checked the Bandit had plenty of gain on the modern setting. Using a good EQ pedal and adding a touch of reverb will probably get you a rough approximation the lead tone you want, but ultimately you're after a new amp, as Seagull said. Honestly, cranking a good tube amp for the first time is sure to yield an epiphany of sorts.
#21
Are you saying that OD pedals don't work on solid state amps?

wow...
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Last edited by Washburnd Fretz at Feb 24, 2009,
#22
Quote by Washburnd Fretz
Wow..i know the Zakk quota is filled on this thread...

but the Wylde overdrive is the hottest od ive heard..the only that gets too hot for me
to set at 10.

........

You guys know that the Wylde Overdrive is basically just a rebranded SD-1, right?

And no. OD's don't work on SS amps. The whole purpose of an OD is to do exactly that. Overdrive a tube amp. They can simulate and overdriven tube amp, but their original (and still is) purpose was to push tube amps into overdrive.

So, no, in true fashion, and OD won't work on an SS amp.
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#23
If an overdrive supes up the tone of the SS amp..it works.

It doesnt matter if it was designed for valve amps...

We understand what it means on paper..but in the real world it makes a difference.

Btw..The Boss SD-1 may have be hot...but the MXR overdrive is much hotter.
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Last edited by Washburnd Fretz at Feb 24, 2009,
#24
Quote by Washburnd Fretz
If an overdrive supes up the tone of the SS amp..it works.

It doesnt matter if it was designed for valve amps...

We understand what it means on paper..but in the real world it makes a difference.

I've never played an OD that has "souped up" the tone of an SS amp. It just doesn't work.

The only SS amp I can think of that gets a half-assed decent tone out of an OD is a JC-120. And that's pushing it.

Granted, there may be some nice SS amps that will take an OD pedal well, like the Line 6 Vetta/Flextone and Roland Jazz Chorus (like I said already). But as a rule of thumb, most OD's just don't work with run of the mill SS amps.

Just my 0.02. I'm entitled to opinions, right?

And have you played the SD-1 and Wylde Overdrive side-by-side? It's the same thing. I've used both. I was considering getting the SD-1, then I spied the Wylde. After playing them together, I didn't like either one because they sounded identical. So I got a Boosta Grande.
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Last edited by stratman_13 at Feb 24, 2009,
#25
I've used a solid state peavey in the past...212 combo with a touch of boss distortion and some overdrive and it worked just fine.

As long as you are below clipping levels you will be ok.

And yeah..ive owned them both..ive used them with actives and passives on ss and tube amps..and to my ear..the mxr won.

MG..spider..valveking..B-52 at-100 and jcm 800...
seymour duncans...emg 91/85..stock epiphone and washburn idol pickups..

that was my my experiment. depending on the amp they will distance themselves.

Theres nothing wrong with choosing one pedal over another..I just didnt want TS
to think that OD's can't make a difference.

Although..my favorite pedal is an Albanez distortion..it was a paper weight..sounded like crap until i used on a tube amp..

so ....you have a point
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Last edited by Washburnd Fretz at Feb 24, 2009,
#26
From my experience with them, they're the same pedal, just in a fancier case . Again, my opinion.

And I wasn't aware we were talking below clipping levels. My bad. We were both right, just arguing two different arguments

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#27
Back to Thread.....
IF you really don't want a new amp or new pedal, get something for volume. While everyone in this thread is right about the new amp thing, if you INSIST you are happy with your tone, it can't hurt to try a clean boost of some sort. In fact, you are being kind of greedy if you want a lead tone while retaining your solid state amp and MT-2. Honestly, it might be cheaper to explore some other pedals. If you tried out the Jekyll and Hyde, you could have a rhythm and boost in one pedal.

FYI not calling you greedy. More just my inability with words.