ok i want either of those kramer basses but i can't find either online, anyone know of any gd kramer dealer sites? i heard about musicyo and its distribution to other deals which was a bit annoying tbh, but for the price these look gd for me, haven't owned a bass before so these seem like kickass beginner guitars!

if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated.
I'd look elsewhere for a beginner bass myself. Some of the Kramer strikers have laminate plywood on the bodies, and while some of their higher end guitars and basses are highly collectible, the lower end stuff is beyond bad.

Kramer was bought out by Gibson at some point I believe and hasn't been an active company since the 1990s, so dealers are going to be second hand ones.

Check the FAQ for some better ideas on your first bass.