#1
I know I asked this before, but I forgot or it wasn't clear enough.
Bflat, C, EFlat, F, F# G#

They're all 5th chords. I know its somewhere near c minor but the F# and G# throw that off
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#2
if you make the F# a Gflat, and the G# an Aflat, it's easier to figure out

and it would be the key of Gflat major, or Eflat minor
#3
I know I can adjust to fit a certain key, but I like the way it sounds with those notes.
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#5
But G flat major and E flat minor have Cflats....
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#6
Bb, C, Eb, F, Gb, Ab would fit into Bb minor or Db major.
F# and G# have to be written as Gb and Ab as you don't write a note 'letter' more than once (i.e. F and F# in the same scale should be written as E# and F# or F and Gb)

IF they're all 5th 'chords' then there is a G present from the C5, which does not fit this key but could be seen as a passing note.
#7
Okay I understood all of that, (and my mistake with repeating the letter). and is there a rule as far as "passing notes?"
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#8
I know this isn't widely accepted, but I see power chords as melodic, not harmonic. Since it's not even a chord, a C power chord is used to sound the note C, not the chord C.

If you accept my humble theory, you get the pitch classes he provided. They fit into C minor.
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#9
It's Cm. All the powerchords are within the C natural minor scale and F#5 is enharmonic to Gb5, the b5 chord which is common in the heavier genres of music.
#10
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Bb, C, Eb, F, Gb, Ab


those are in c minor scale?? i thot c minor was:

C, D E♭, F, G, A♭, and B♭

or that is just an exception ro something
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those are in c minor scale?? i thot c minor was:

C, D E♭, F, G, A♭, and B♭

or that is just an exception ro something



I would have the tendency to think of it as C-minor as well, the F#5 is a simple dyad, and you could call it a collection of passing tones, rather than a full on chord.

The real question is, what note are you calling tonic? the C? If so, then the key is clearly C-minor, regardless of how you analyze the chords.

There are many exceptions to the rules of music theory, the only real limitations are what sounds good to your ears.
#12
Well I just thought it would be helpful to know, because I had written a solo in C Minor so I wanted to make sure. and yeah i think im using C as tonic. But the notes dont have to be exact for it to fall under that key?
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Well I just thought it would be helpful to know, because I had written a solo in C Minor so I wanted to make sure. and yeah i think im using C as tonic. But the notes dont have to be exact for it to fall under that key?


Not at all, if you're using C as the tonic, then the Gb (and the Db in the Gb5) could be considered passing tones which you could use to bridge to other notes on weak beats.
If it sounds good, work with it.
#14
Okay thanks. But I don't understand this passing tone thing.
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#15
Passing tones are a kind of non-chord tone. Meaning that the note you are playing is in-between two chords, and belongs to neither of them. This a quite oversimplified explanation.

In traditional western theory, we usually consider passing tones to still be diatonic (meaning inside the key), but many complex pieces of music use chromatic tones(tones that are separated by a half-step) as passing tones. This adds color to the piece, and can often imply different chords.

There is a lot more to this, but that's pretty much the basics of the passing tone.
#16
I really dont understand that. But as long as i know its c minor thats fine. anf from now on ill find the chords in that key first and use them i guess
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#17
A passing-tone is exactly what the name implies: you pass through that tone on the way to a less dissonant tone.

This is something you should understand; ask questions if you do not.
#18
Im still not getting it. and i dont know what dissonant is. or this:

Bb, C, Eb, F, Gb, Ab- my riff


those are in c minor scale?? i thot c minor was:

C, D E♭, F, G, A♭, and B♭
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#19
anyone?
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#20
Yes, you're in C-minor. Your F#/Gb chord is just a chord your using from outside the key.

The rest of the composition should stay in C-minor.
#21
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Im still not getting it. and i dont know what dissonant is. or this:

Bb, C, Eb, F, Gb, Ab- my riff


those are in c minor scale?? i thot c minor was:

C, D E♭, F, G, A♭, and B♭

You're correct, C minor does not have a Gb in it. Gb is in this case a dissonant note, that very basically is a note that in the context sounds a little harsh and unpleasing. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use it, just that it needs to be resolved to a more pleasing note.
As for the "passing tone" it's simply when you play a note outside the scale, you should try not to overuse the note but it can be used.

In the case of your riff: Gb isn't part of the scale. Therefore it's dissonant. It then resolves to the minor 6th (Ab) and your progression is musically sound.

Does that make sense?

Edit: Of course it's possible you're playing in C# (or Db) major or A# (or Bb) minor.
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#22
thank you.
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