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After watching people attack TS in the "greatest thing" thread, I've become worried that the pit has stereotyped any religious parent/leader. It's not like everyone really forces their beliefs on their children...my parents offered it to me, and when I said no they were perfectly fine.

Do you guys really think that all religious leaders/parents force their beliefs and poison children? Cuz that thread sorta worried me.
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Every christian is like kent hovind.

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#3
You dont see catholic parents raising jews?
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#4
I should make a thread called "Atheism 'Poisoning'".
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dude religion thread, this will be flamed too, knobo.
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I should make a thread called "Atheism 'Poisoning'".


Why? You never hear "250 atheists were killed after recieving heavy shelling from an agnostic stronghold in the north". That's all I'm saying, literally and figuratively.
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#8
Religion sucks.
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It was probably a black man who talked. "oh don' go in there gurl, he behind the doh~"

And then got shot.
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Why? You never hear "250 atheists were killed after recieving heavy shelling from an agnostic stronghold in the north". That's all I'm saying, literally and figuratively.

meh, you've got a point there...
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Why? You never hear "250 atheists were killed after recieving heavy shelling from an agnostic stronghold in the north". That's all I'm saying, literally and figuratively.


face it, the world is run not by Atheists.
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Why? You never hear "250 atheists were killed after recieving heavy shelling from an agnostic stronghold in the north".


Doesnt that tell you something RELIGION = EVIL!!!
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face it, the world is run not by Atheists.

Well, it fucking should be. As an atheist, I question all religions equally. I wouldn't think "Oh, they believe differently to us therefore we shall blow the shit out of their country. An atheist's view about people who believe in a religion is basically "Feel free, but I don't want to know about it"
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Do you guys really think that all religious leaders/parents force their beliefs and poison children? Cuz that thread sorta worried me.

FFS, no, we don't.

Is it just me, or do we get threads all the time where people think UG stereotypes all religious people as being Jim Jones?

EDIT: Although I have to say I find it absurd that so many people haven't noticed the blatant contradictions in all religions that have a loving, omnipitent god that made everything. Either that or they're choosing to ignore them.
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#14
I think religion is a good thing.....and so is atheism...
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Having been forced to sing hymns in assembly every day in my junior school life, and say prayers, yes i do think that completely.
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I understand I am an easy target and people attack me if I post about my son being born or meeting my wife or spending time incarcerated or about buying my bike.

It's ok. I know people that constantly ttack are looking for a mean respnse or something.

When I was at Corcoran I was in the Shoe (secure housing) due to disiplinary problems earlier in my time at SQ. Some "celebrity" types were in the shoe which houses 50 people so Manson is there and Sirhan Sirhan and Juan Corona too althoguh only for a short time.

These tyopes are the same. Tough guys when the doors are closed and attacking ith words but the doors open and they stay locked up cuz they know they're talking smack. Same thing with a lot of internet types.
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I think religion is a good thing.....and so is atheism...

Of course, because:

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... is definitely a good thing.
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#19
I think a lot of people are kind of....

uncomfortable with the idea of raising children away from religion. I for one, a person highly critical of religon (bordering on agonsticism/atheism) feel this way too.


maybe I feel it is necessary to instill in people these morals then and there....who cares if it's a lie, the world needs be made a better place.
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maybe I feel it is necessary to instill in people these morals then and there....who cares if it's a lie, the world needs be made a better place.

If you need religion to tell between good and bad, maybe you shouldn't exist?
Seriously, if you need to be told everything you lack the most important part of being human, and that is cognitive reasoning.
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I think a lot of people are kind of....

uncomfortable with the idea of raising children away from religion. I for one, a person highly critical of religon (bordering on agonsticism/atheism) feel this way too.


maybe I feel it is necessary to instill in people these morals then and there....who cares if it's a lie, the world needs be made a better place.

You don't need to be religious to have morals, I was raised completely without religion and I still know killing and stealing is immoral.
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I think a lot of people are kind of....

uncomfortable with the idea of raising children away from religion. I for one, a person highly critical of religon (bordering on agonsticism/atheism) feel this way too.


maybe I feel it is necessary to instill in people these morals then and there....who cares if it's a lie, the world needs be made a better place.



and religion makes the world a better place?

are you kidding me? look at all the crap going on in the world and ask yourself how much of it is caused by religion. Take religion out of the equation and we'd basically all just get along most of the time. There wouldn't be any reason to kill each other.

Atheism ftw!
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#23
A lot of parents do and it is quite understandable why they do. I still disagree with it.

And the person who posted above me is a jackass. EDIT: Make that the guy like 4 posts above me. The three guys above me all think he's a jackass too.
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If you need religion to tell between good and bad, maybe you shouldn't exist?
Seriously, if you need to be told everything you lack the most important part of being human, and that is cognitive reasoning.

even if people know what is right and wrong....I feel there is always going to be some stupid fuc ktard who's going to blow up some coffeehouse being he chooses the latter. I mean


if he feared "God" maybe he wouldn't.


I don't even know exactly why I feel this way.
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Do you guys really think that all religious leaders/parents force their beliefs and poison children? Cuz that thread sorta worried me.


Organized religions are based on specific doctrines. For these doctrines to be taken seriously (as they must be for the religion to continue) then people must be indoctrinated into the church. That means forcing a your beliefs on people too sheepish to think for themselves--much of the time these people are children since their little minds don't yet have critical thinking skills and they take everything at face value.

It's no different than teaching kids anything else: nationalism, capitalism, democracy, etc. If you need a unified mass of people to stick to your set of beliefs you have to have some process of indoctrination and that process works best on children.

Hey wow, I gave a response that makes sense and wouldn't have to be confined to the religion thead. Bet that when I post this I get the message "sorry this thread has been closed" and I've just wasted 3 minutes of my life.

edit* wow it wasn't closed yet.


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and religion makes the world a better place?

are you kidding me? look at all the crap going on in the world and ask yourself how much of it is caused by religion. Take religion out of the equation and we'd basically all just get along most of the time. There wouldn't be any reason to kill each other.

Atheism ftw!


and let's see how much killing too place in Soviet Russia where everyone was allegedly athiest. Or communist cuba? or China?

Correlation doesn't equal causation. It's stupid to think that because religion is used to justify violence that it is the actual cause of violence. Big difference there.
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imo, the same proportion of atheists are tools as religious people, if not more. religious people have to question their faith every day as to why they're abstaining from something that seems "fun", why they believe in something else (God) and worship him etc. atheists, however, just decide not to believe in it but then never really need to question their lack of belief.
most atheists that i know haven't really given it that much thought but have a lack of faith because it's the trend or to seem smarter. a lot are arrogant people who want to seem different and smart.
likewise, i'll admitt that most religious people don't really question their beliefs but are just brought up to believe something and just follow it for tradition.
i'm just going to stick with "most people are dumb!"
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You don't need to be religious to have morals, I was raised completely without religion and I still know killing and stealing is immoral.


Yeah..me too...i do not adhere to any particular religion yet I feel that there are lot of people that seriously need it. Even if it's not true, I view it as a necessarly social implement.
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even if people know what is right and wrong....I feel there is always going to be some stupid fuc ktard who's going to blow up some coffeehouse being he chooses the latter. I mean


if he feared "God" maybe he wouldn't.

Or he might be an open minded, rational person as an athiest, and a coffeehouse-bombing militant zealot as a religious person. They're both possible.
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Well, not belonging to an organized religious organization or affiliation i will not comment on them. I am one man doing what I believe to be God's work and trying to make life better for all the people in my community.

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face it, the world is run not by Atheists.
actually, about 73% of government officer, college professors, and teachers are either atheist or agnostic. so yes, in a sense the world is run by atheists.
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even if people know what is right and wrong....I feel there is always going to be some stupid fuc ktard who's going to blow up some coffeehouse being he chooses the latter. I mean


if he feared "God" maybe he wouldn't.


I don't even know exactly why I feel this way.


i'm pretty sure there were more people that killed because of religion than because they weren't told to properly fear god. examples: hitler, the crusades, etc.
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Or he might be an open minded, rational person as an athiest, and a coffeehouse-bombing zealot as a religious person. They're both likely.

open mindedness and rationality do not necessarily equate with religion. The current world is dominated by the first world countries, over the thrid world countries. Now, imagine if you lived in a 3rd world country and feel like you're being ****ed over, wouldn't you bomb the hell out of the other domineering country to get what you want? Threats? yes I suppose. and that's what terrorism is all about.

however the basis for all the major world religions is MORALS. Sure, there are a few extremist groups, but I view them as obscurely religious that have almost NOTHING to do with the original intentions of religions. They just qualify as sects of the religion but in reality is completely different. that is pushing the dictionary definition a bit there.
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face it, the world is run not by Atheists.

At this stage most of the Western world probably is, or agnostics/deists at least.
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open mindedness and rationality do not necessarily equate with religion. The current world is dominated by the first world countries, over the thrid world countries. Now, imagine if you lived in a 3rd world country and feel like you're being ****ed over, wouldn't you bomb the hell out of the other domineering country to get what you want? Threats? yes I suppose. and that's what terrorism is all about.

however the basis for all the major world religions is MORALS. Sure, there are a few extremist groups, but I view them as obscurely religious that have almost NOTHING to do with the original intentions of religions. They just qualify as sects of the religion but in reality is completely different. that is pushing the dictionary definition a bit there.
The basis of most religions is belief.

Many religious people are quite happy to ignore the moral teachings of their religion because the central message is "believe in x deity and you go to heaven", not "be a good person and go to heaven".
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The basis of most religions is belief.

Many religious people are quite happy to ignore the moral teachings of their religion because the central message is "believe in x deity and you go to heaven", not "be a good person and go to heaven".


If those same people who ignore the moral beliefs of religion where Atheists instead, then they would still be the same.

They would replace their belief in the god with belief in money, or self-indulgence. It's just the same, choosing atheism over religion or vice versa is no cure.
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If those same people who ignore the moral beliefs of religion where Atheists instead, then they would still be the same.

They would replace their belief in the god with belief in money, or self-indulgence. It's just the same, choosing atheism over religion or vice versa is no cure.
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I think you meant to quote someone else, this doesn't address my comment at all.


it doesn't...? No I meant to, I was saying that people who look for a way to ignore the morals in either religion or atheism will be the same either way. It's not BECAUSE of religion.

sorry for the muddle-ness.
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and religion makes the world a better place?

are you kidding me? look at all the crap going on in the world and ask yourself how much of it is caused by religion. Take religion out of the equation and we'd basically all just get along most of the time. There wouldn't be any reason to kill each other.

Atheism ftw!



Religion doesn't cause wars. The desires of wealth and power do. People just use religion as an excuse to make their actions looks more honorable and moral. I for one think that a lot of good can come from religion. It helps people cope with death and grief. It can give people hope for a better future. It can unite people (though it can divide people as well). Also churches can raise money for charities and help their communities.

This coming from a nonbeliever btw.
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Religion doesn't cause wars. The desires of wealth and power do. People just use religion as an excuse to make their actions looks more honorable and moral. I for one think that a lot of good can come from religion. It helps people cope with death and grief. It can give people hope for a better future. It can unite people (though it can divide people as well). Also churches can raise money for charities and help their communities.

This coming from a nonbeliever btw.


I hate atheists who feel the need to praise religion. It does nothing praiseworthy. You don't need to be religious to be charitable, help people grieve or inspire hope. Irreligious methods of doing those have the benefit of not being based on falsities.
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