#1
Yeah the question asked 300 gajillion times on here, oh well.

Alright, so I'm looking into a head and a cab for metal, something with a really really tight sound. I tried out Marshalls alot, but they all don't have that punch that, say, Engl amps I've tried have.

so, out of these amps

Line6 HD147
Engl Screamer 50
Bogner Alchemist

what are your experiences and crap?
#2
The Screamer is probably your best bet.

Unless you need a lot of versatility, in which case, go with the HD147.
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#6
I don't think the Alchemist will get into the metal range. Without a few pedals at least.

Definitely look at the screamer though.
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#7
Alchemist CAN get into the metal territory with a boost, but it's not voiced for that, so don't bother imo. Also, Line 6 HD might sound great now but as time progresses I think that your ear will be fatigued and bothered by the digitalness of the tone you will start to hear. Best bet out of that lineup is a Screamer, it got every metal tone i wanted when I tried it, but with a boost it will even put you moreso into that territory. Also, Krank = Fizzfest imo.
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#8
Ive tried the Screamer and I think its amazing, maybe you should try the Fireball to.

Off topic: kayman121 im planning to get the Fireball, do you recommend it? or can you recommend me another amp for that price thats better?
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#10
i suggest looking at peaveys, there my no1 choice for metal, the 5150 etc for metalcore and the xxx/jsx series for a smooth, non-fizzy metal tone,

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#11
I tried the peaveys, and I really did not like them. I found the Screamer to be superior to every peavy amp I played (granted, it was only the 6150 model and XXX)

I looked up the fireball, it seems pretty cool as well, but the Screamer is cheaper and has 4 Channels, which is something that might come in handy.
#12
Fireball vs Screamer totally depends on what you're playing. The screamer I'd say is much more versatily, but if you're playing out and out death/melodic death/thrash/prog metal, the fireball is it. It is more compressed than the screamer...some like it some dont..i do
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#13
marshall should work for metal just put a few pedals on there digitech death metal, boss metal zone , boss metal core should work but i hear good things about randall heads and i hear kranks are good for solos get the KRANKENSTIEN.
#14
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I tried the peaveys, and I really did not like them. I found the Screamer to be superior to every peavy amp I played (granted, it was only the 6150 model and XXX)

I looked up the fireball, it seems pretty cool as well, but the Screamer is cheaper and has 4 Channels, which is something that might come in handy.


then im sorry that i can't help, because your tone taste buds are the opposite to mine, but having said that it would mean that you would probably prefer the screamer, because i prefer the fireball.

good luck in your amp quest!

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#15
My vote goes for the ENGL.
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#16
i'd have to say the ENGL. the line 6 is a great amp and more flexible than the screamer though, and the computer connectivity it has is great, but just like someone else said, the tone of the engl won't get boring as fast, and generally, for high end amps, if you have the oppurtunity to go tube, then theres a good chance its the best route
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#18
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well, i guess loud enough to play live, but in the end I guess that's what, 30, 40 watts of tube amp?
and used tube amps are definately an option, but not used modelling heads.
and thanks for the links, I keep on forgetting that Engl is a german brand
But I don't mind having a one-trick poney, because as long as it has the sound I'm looking for, I'll be happy.
#19
The Switchblade is not a modelling amp, if that is what you mean. The one I linked to is new by the way. The Fireballs aren't too expensive new either, but why pay more if it's not necessary...

Depending on how much you want to spend, you could get a used Framus Dragon, they go for 1200€ used I think. I have seen a couple on ebay in the last few months, but there are no interesting offerings right now. A Framus Cobra would be an option, too, but they are rare.

Last one that comes to mind: Used JCM900? Quite affordable and plenty of gain from what I remember.

EDIT: Forgot, a used Engl Savage 60 shouldn't be too expensive and it does metal. The Savage 120 costs more, but there probably is no point for you to get the louder version. Only problem is that the 60 is hard to find.
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