#1
Does anyone know what key GNR's Patience is in?

The chords go C, G, A, D then C, G, C, Em, C, G, D, Dsus2, D, Dsus4, D
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#2
Looks like D major without a guitar in my hand.
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#3
And what are some scales I could play over it?
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#4
have you written the Dsus2 and Dsus4 in the wrong places??

I think it's in G and I know the G major scale works beautifully over it.

Oh and you realize it's all down a half step right? so Gb if you're playing along to the recording.
Si
Last edited by 20Tigers at Mar 3, 2009,
#5
So the C# is just thrown in (not attacking, asking).
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#6
Yeah the A is major but only seems to pop up in the intro but otherwise it's a C natural throughout most of the verses and in the solo. (from what I remember)

The D is also a kind of a climax in the progression and doesn't sound like the tonic when you play it or listen to the song the Dsus4 and Dsus2 kind of prolong that and it feels like it is "hanging" and needs to resolve. It moves to the C chord and it feels like the C chord is resolving the progression but there's that fifth in there (the G) which I think it doing some of the work.
Si
#7
Fair enough.
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#8
then again maybe it's C. (as in C Lydian)

Maybe I'm overthinking it.

I need to go practice for a few hours now anyway.
Si
#9
Key o' G, fellas. Just an unusual progression
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#10
It's definately in G, albeit an odd progression. Because of some of the non-diatonic chords, you can't (well, you can...) just pick the G major scale and go. You'll have to pay attention to the C over A, though the song is kind of bluesy, so that might sound good.
#11
Yeah I thought it was G and isn't the A just in the intro? (like before the lead guitar intro just during the whistling bit) I haven't heard it for a while but the main verse is just
C G C Em
C G D D (with some decoration on the D using Dsus2 and Dsus4)

I know it was common in the fifties to start the middle 8 on the IV chord but stay in the same key and I guess that's just what they are doing here except in the verse and the Em is just a diatonic substitution for the G as they both share the G and B notes.
So at it's essence it is
IV I IV I
IV I V V

Then with the vi for I diatonic substitution it becomes
IV I IV vi
IV I V V throw in some direct substitution on the V chord with the Vsus2 and Vsus4 to pretty it up.

I can't remember how the rest of the song goes though. It's been so long since I've played or even heard the song - too many memories attached.

But does that analysis look about right to you guys?

Then is there a key change later on isn't there?
Si
Last edited by 20Tigers at Mar 4, 2009,