#1
KK, real newbie question, but I guess thats what I am.
Anyway, I have a riff using these notes:

A A# C D D# E F G G#

What key is this? Is it more than one key? How do you tell what key something is in?

Also, if I composed a solo to fit this using the above notes, what scale would be best?

Any help greatly appreciated
#3
You tell a key signature by the notes used, IE:
c major - no sharps
g major - f#
c# major - f# c# g# d# a# e# b#

However, your riff doesn't seem to fit into a typical key. What order are the notes played in? what chords can you put behind them? Because you might be in a key signature with a few accidentals (notes not from the scale/key).

At first glance I thought you were in a chromatic scale, which is all 12 notes, but I'm not convinced, we need to know what the tonal is...ie where it resolves to.
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#4
Taken as a whole, that scale looks to be a A# Japanese (Taishikicho) scale.

At least according to this:

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/reverse_scales.php

That said, chances are you just stumbled upon a standard diatonic scale, and some of the notes you listed are chromatic passing tones you're mistaking for scale tones.

I'm thinking G minor, possibly. A good scale to solo with in G minor is G minor pentatonic, with some blues inflections. that said, I have no idea what style you're going for. G harmonic minor is also classic for "oriental" sounding noodles.
#5
Okay here is the riff:

E|---------------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------------|
D|----7-7---7-8-7-5------------------------|
A|----5-5---------------8-7-5-7-8---------|
E|---------------------------------------------|

E|-------------------------------------------------|
B|------------------------------------------------|
G|-----------------------------------------------|
D|----5-5---6-5-3------3-3--3-3/5--1------|
A|----3-3-----------6----1-1------------------|
E|------------------------------------------------|
Any help?
#6
If it's written like this:
A Bb C D Eb E F G Ab

It looks like it could be Eb major with an E and A natural thrown in, and the fact that it seems to resolve somewhat to Eb might justify this, but I'm not 100% sure.
#7
Feels to me like D minor, with a kind of vi - V - IV progression (ala Dylan's All Along the Watchtower).
The Ab and Eb are out of scale however, but could be considered passing tones.
#8
I recorded it and played chords over it. First, D minor, then C major, then B flat. Maybe its in F major? seemed to fit...

What song is the riff from?
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#9
Dm C Bb is a classic minor progression using a descending root line i - bVII - bVI in Dm

TS try an A at the end.
G-2
D-2
A-0
E--
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#11
It's a riff I made up.
And since no one seems sure then it doesn't matter.
Under it I just play D5, C5, A#5/A5
I made up a solo anyway that fits those notes so I guess it doesn't matter
Thanks anyway guys
#12
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It's a riff I made up.
And since no one seems sure then it doesn't matter.
Under it I just play D5, C5, A#5/A5
I made up a solo anyway that fits those notes so I guess it doesn't matter
Thanks anyway guys


That's close to what I played in post 8, only I used full chords on an acoustic. My bet is on F, but since it's an original work...
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#13
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How exactly is Bb a bVI chord in Dm?
Am I missing something?? What is it if not a bVI in the key of Dm?

D Major = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 = D E F# G A B C# D
Dm = 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 = D E F G A Bb C D

Bb = b6 in D minor. So triad built of this scale degree is Bb D F which is a major triad. A major triad built of a b6 or minor sixth = bVI.

EDIT: Also TS you say no one seems sure. I am sure it's in the key of Dm.

There's a few outside chord tones brought in but they are accidentals. It's in Dm. Dm is the relative minor of F which is why someone said F but in this context it's correct to use Dm since D is the tonic.

I'm glad you made up your own solo. If you can make up your own riffs and don't rely on a defined scale to help you choose the right notes you're obviously letting the sound guide you. So why not do the same for the solo right. At least that's the way I look at it.

Best of Luck.
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Am I missing something?? What is it if not a bVI in the key of Dm?

D Major = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 = D E F# G A B C# D
Dm = 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 = D E F G A Bb C D

Bb = b6 in D minor. So triad built of this scale degree is Bb D F which is a major triad. A major triad built of a b6 or minor sixth = bVI.

EDIT: Also TS you say no one seems sure. I am sure it's in the key of Dm.

There's a few outside chord tones brought in but they are accidentals. It's in Dm. Dm is the relative minor of F which is why someone said F but in this context it's correct to use Dm since D is the tonic.


I'm not the TS, but thanks for clearing it up for me.
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#16
thnks guys for the support
But yeah I'm lettin the groove guide me
lol
Got the whole song down now...just need a way of recording it!
#17
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Am I missing something?? What is it if not a bVI in the key of Dm?

D Major = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 = D E F# G A B C# D
Dm = 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 = D E F G A Bb C D

Bb = b6 in D minor. So triad built of this scale degree is Bb D F which is a major triad. A major triad built of a b6 or minor sixth = bVI.

EDIT: Also TS you say no one seems sure. I am sure it's in the key of Dm.

There's a few outside chord tones brought in but they are accidentals. It's in Dm. Dm is the relative minor of F which is why someone said F but in this context it's correct to use Dm since D is the tonic.

I'm glad you made up your own solo. If you can make up your own riffs and don't rely on a defined scale to help you choose the right notes you're obviously letting the sound guide you. So why not do the same for the solo right. At least that's the way I look at it.

Best of Luck.


Nm that post, the b in figured bass was cleared up for me in a different post.