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Homosexuality editorial puts 1st Amendment on trial
Woman sues after she was fired for saying being 'gay' is not same as being black
Posted: December 02, 2008 1:21 am Eastern
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A woman is suing the university where she worked for firing her over a privately written newspaper commentary expressing her Christian views on homosexuality. Crystal Dixon, the former associate vice president of human resources at the University of Toledo, was fired in May after she objected to an opinion article in the Toledo Free Press that compared striving for "gay rights" with the civil rights struggles of black Americans. Dixon responded with a Free Press editorial of her own, written not in her capacity as a university employee but as a private citizen. "As a Black woman," Dixon wrote, "I take great I take great umbrage at the notion that those choosing the homosexual lifestyle are 'civil rights victims.' Here's why. I cannot wake up tomorrow and not be a black woman. I am genetically and biologically a black woman and very pleased to be so as my Creator intended." University of Toledo President Lloyd Jacobs immediately suspended Dixon and condemned her statements. Within days, Dixon was fired. Now, with the help of the Thomas More Law Center, a not-for-profit law firm dedicated to the defense and promotion of the religious freedom of Christians, Dixon has today filed a lawsuit in Federal District Court claiming violations of her constitutional rights of free speech. "Crystal Dixon has a constitutional right to privately express her personal opinions," said Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Law Center, in a statement. "This particular opinion represents the view of a majority of Christian Americans," Thompson continued. "Essentially she was fired for being a Christian."


What do people think about this? I think it is an insult to the Christian community. She wasn't fired for being a Christian at all. Firing her may be a bit harsh, but she should have more sense than to post stupid **** like that in a newspaper. She cannot be seriously insinuating that a gay person could wake up tomorrow and decide to be straight.
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She's right. Being gay is not the same as being black. That would cause all kinds of racial-sexual confusion.
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i personally cant stand it when people try to put their views on someone else, i mean really, keep your politics to yourself and there wont be a problem. oh well, this woman clearly didnt get the impact she was hoping for probably.
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i think its an insult to freedom of speech

and the person that fired her should be fired themselves(they wer probly a fag is why she got fired)
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She has the absolute right to say what she wants in private, and express her opinions in any private media. The fact that she's talking horseshit doesn't change this, it's called 'free' press for a reason.
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While I strongly disagree with her views, she should not have been fired.
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#11
Same thing happened to me once. I expressed my approval of my boss's sexual preferences by telling him to suck my cock.

But, in all fairness, the woman deserved to be fired, not for her opinions, but for being a stupid bitch. Any opinion is null and void when you begin it with the phrase "as a black woman." It's 2009, nobody's special because of their gender or race.

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She has the absolute right to say what she wants in private, and express her opinions in any private media. The fact that she's talking horseshit doesn't change this, it's called 'free' press for a reason.


I love how the people who are first to cry "freedom of speech" have no idea what the First Amendment actually says. This is not a First Amendment trial, the woman has no chance of winning.
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You know what this is telling us. Everyone should shut their face about their opinions on topics like this. No she wasn't fired for being christian, she was fired for being ignorant.

Yes, she was entitled to voice her opinion, but remember, her boss also has the right to terminate her employment when he see's fit.
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i think its an insult to freedom of speech

and the person that fired her should be fired themselves(they wer probly a fag is why she got fired)

*facepalm* Shut the hell up.
I agree It is a breach of freedom of speech and she shouldn't have been fired because of that but who knows what other circumstances surrounded it. Did her boss ask her to publicly state that her views did not reflect the views of the university and she refused? Did the university look back through her work record and see that she had made decisions that the university would not support, because of her beliefs? Who knows.
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"This particular opinion represents the view of a majority of Christian Americans," Thompson continued. "Essentially she was fired for being a Christian."


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She's an idiot, but she shouldn't have been fired for an opinion. I find it incredibly idiotic how people have a right to "not be offended".
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She is kinda right though (in her arguments, not her beliefs) black people were persecuted because of the way they looked, nothing more, which you can't hide.

Gay people are persecuted because they have different sexual orientation. Which you can.

Not to mention, I don't see people forcing gay people to go their separate lines in the grocery market, or to drink out of a different fountain.


They do have their own dance clubs though.....

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she's entitled to her opinion and free speech.

so yeah i support her lawsuit.
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She has the absolute right to say what she wants in private, and express her opinions in any private media. The fact that she's talking horseshit doesn't change this, it's called 'free' press for a reason.
Perhaps employers have the right to fire employees who publicly express opinions that bring their business/institution into ill-repute.
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She is kinda right though (in her arguments, not her beliefs) black people were persecuted because of the way they looked, nothing more, which you can't hide.

Gay people are persecuted because they have different sexual orientation. Which you can.

Not to mention, I don't see people forcing gay people to go their separate lines in the grocery market, or to drink out of a different fountain.


They do have their own dance clubs though.....


For fuck's sake, nobody chooses to be gay, just like nobody chooses to be black. To expect anyone to hide who they are, because, in this day and age, the world is still full of morons like this woman who can't handle it, is just ridiculous and shame on you for suggesting it.

Also, for what it's worth, I've BEEN to gay dance clubs. They're full of straight people. I wonder if you realize just how ignorant and intolerant you sound.
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She's a woman. Therefore her boss was right.
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For fuck's sake, nobody chooses to be gay, just like nobody chooses to be black. To expect anyone to hide who they are, because, in this day and age, the world is still full of morons like this woman who can't handle it, is just ridiculous and shame on you for suggesting it.


please prove that. seriously.
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Perhaps employers have the right to fire employees who publicly express opinions that bring their business/institution into ill-repute.


Generally not, unless said employee is acting as a representative of their employer at the time. It's sort of a legal grey area, I guess.

EDIT-This isn't the best analogy but it's an example of what I mean. If I get smashed, make a barking public spectacle of myself and generally act like an idiot in front of lots of people who know who I work for then I can't be fired (I checked my contract very carefully). If I'm wearing my work ID badge, though, then I can be fired because I'm considered a representative of my company.
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please prove that. seriously.


My only proof would be. Do you honestly think people would want to be gay seeing how badly treated they are in society in general? I doubt many people chose that.
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For fuck's sake, nobody chooses to be gay, just like nobody chooses to be black. To expect anyone to hide who they are, because, in this day and age, the world is still full of morons like this woman who can't handle it, is just ridiculous and shame on you for suggesting it.

Also, for what it's worth, I've BEEN to gay dance clubs. They're full of straight people. I wonder if you realize just how ignorant and intolerant you sound.



I'm not saying they should. I'm saying its an important difference that makes the african american civil rights movement slightly more invasive. You know what, black people couldn't go to the store and buy a gallon of milk in peace. Do you know what that feels like?


EDIT: And that last part was a joke. And yes, I know, I've been to a gay dance club, once, cuz my gay friend dragged me there. It's still called a gay club. It's not meant to be a place for ONLY gays, its meant to be a place where gays are comfortable. DUH!

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although i didnt say it, i agree with her opinion being null when she says "as a blackwoman" so i do not completely agree with her stance, mainly being the devils advocate as i tend to always do.
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This is so funny on so many levels
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i think its an insult to freedom of speech and the person that fired her should be fired themselves(they wer probly a fag is why she got fired)
or they had a gay uncle thats usually the way it is
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although i didnt say it, i agree with her opinion being null when she says "as a blackwoman" so i do not completely agree with her stance, mainly being the devils advocate as i tend to always do.


"Scientists say they have shown how male homosexuality could be passed from generation to generation. "

That is all I read on the article, so if that is a misleading title then that article doesn't prove anything. But why would you want to be gay? Why would you want all of the abuse that they get from ignorant bible bashers who can't accept people who are different from them?
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This is so funny on so many levels


damn kensai the all mighty, i cant devils advocate the coolest guy on UG

but its true theory is the thought truth, not the for sure truth, there are almost 100% most likely theories that prove that theory incorrect, although i do not have an proof to this i guess that makes my reasoning null also!

i shall now leave the thread... my devils advocating failed this thread dang... lol
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Not in the same leauge really, but people will act however they want regaurdless of how they're treated. The above mentioned can help it, but they don't.

Btw, i don't care if gays choose or not, it's thier thing, whatever.
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Haha. If she had been fired for supporting homosexuality, you guys would all be pissed off. The Pit is full of idiots.
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She's right. Being gay is not the same as being black. That would cause all kinds of racial-sexual confusion.


I fuckin lol'd
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She will win. If she doesn't we all lose. I don't care what she said. If she was not encouraging others to violence she has the right to say what she wants. I have buried friends that have granted her that right. I will fight anybody that wishes to deny her that right. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with her. Doesn't matter if she has offended you or if she is your hero.
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Haha. If she had been fired for supporting homosexuality, you guys would all be pissed off. The Pit is full of idiots.


That would be wrong too. Most of the people here are angry she got fired for expressing her views, not because she hates homosexuals.

Back in 1993, US researchers suggested male homosexuality was passed from mother to son after they found strong patterns of inheritance in family trees.


I wouldn't call that PROOF that homosexuallity is a genetic trait. They still don't know, so anybody who says homosexuallity is genetic is just blowing hot air. Do you know how many examples of bisexuality we have in ancient Greece? It was culturally accepted back then, so there was a great deal of it going on. I'm not saying that it was necessarily the same thing, but its an example of how homosexual practice was chosen by society.

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