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Are these loud enough to be heard over drums? I have a solid state half stack and that's fine but I don't know about this Peavey VK112 I'm looking at. I think it would be fine though as far as being heard with everybody else.
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Plenty loud... one watt of tube power is approximately the equivalent of 2 1/2 watts of solid-state power.
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I was just playing with a drummer with my VK112 about an hour ago, i have it turned up to about 4 and it is a good mix with my drummers volume so no problems there
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Plenty loud... one watt of tube power is approximately the equivalent of 2 1/2 watts of solid-state power.


To get really nitpicky and technical one watt of power is one watt of power. The difference is that tube technology creates a sound wave that humans perceive as louder than solid state does, and this is the disparity.

Kinda like the old riddle, what weighs more, a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers...answer is, they both weigh a pound, but you'd have WAY more feathers due to the density of the materials.

And to answer the TS...should be juuuuust fine. I also have a 40w HRD and its plenty loud.

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Plenty loud... one watt of tube power is approximately the equivalent of 2 1/2 watts of solid-state power.


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To get really nitpicky and technical one watt of power is one watt of power. The difference is that tube technology creates a sound wave that humans perceive as louder than solid state does, and this is the disparity.

Kinda like the old riddle, what weighs more, a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers...answer is, they both weigh a pound, but you'd have WAY more feathers due to the density of the materials.

And to answer the TS...should be juuuuust fine. I also have a 40w HRD and its plenty loud.


Yee, I meant as far as volume concerned, but W/E.
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With my 33 watt crate if I go past halfway I start drowning out my drummer, and I'm talking about a double bass, 9 symbol, two snare metal madman of a drummer.
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Yee, I meant as far as volume concerned, but W/E.


Sorry, as a pro audio/video guy, it's a distinction I have to teach to my student employees.

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Sorry, as a pro audio/video guy, it's a distinction I have to teach to my student employees.


Also a distinction UGers can fill up 25 threads a day with... seems like no matter what the TS asks this debate comes up.
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Also a distinction UGers can fill up 25 threads a day with... seems like no matter what the TS asks this debate comes up.



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My 5150 combo is 60 W and it's ball shattering.
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I own that amp, it will drown out a drummer, and if you need more just plug a external cab into it. Hell my 15w Blackheart will make a drummer heavy handed to keep up in 7w mode.
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My 5150 combo is 60 W and it's ball shattering.


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50 watts could cause hearing damage. You will have NO problem. You can play dirty over a drummer easily with a 15 watter.
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easilly, my 40w hot rod deluxe completly drowns out a drumkit on 2


While for the record 50 Watts tube is plenty as mentioned by everyone else, I have to say this is an extreme.

Was your drummer playing with brushes or something?
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While for the record 50 Watts tube is plenty as mentioned by everyone else, I have to say this is an extreme.

Was your drummer playing with brushes or something?


HRD's are notorious for touchy volume controls.

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#23
It will be loud enough but I mean a VK just sucks. There are so much better options. Even from peavey. A bugera sounds better than a VK and they are 120 watts. That's a good option or the vypyr 60 watt tube. Which is an all tube power amp and it has solid state in the preamp but you can't tell it and the tone slays a valveking.
#24
The Valveking isn't a bad amp, but Bugeras are leaps and bounds ahead of it as far as tone goes (I own both).
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Plenty loud... one watt of tube power is approximately the equivalent of 2 1/2 watts of solid-state power.

except it isn't.
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Well yeah, definitely. My 30 watt SS could get over a drummer. OF COURSE a 50w tube combo can. Tube amps tend to sound louder than SS amps (about 2.5 times, if you believe GG&A) and that means it will sound like a 125 watt SS combo BUT it will not have that kind of headroom, end of.
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HRD's are notorious for touchy volume controls.

yeah, im pretty sure a hrd on 3 is roughly an 8 on a marshall dsl401
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