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#1
Here's the deal.

I know I shouldn't give a **** about who's better than me and whatnot, but quite frankly i do. I just went to this kid's profile, and he's 12 or 13 i think. He shall remain nameless.

Anyways, I was watching his vids, and then I realized how young he was. I'm nearly 2 or 3 years older than him, and he's practically 9000 times better than me at guitar. I practise my ass off, day in and day out, just to get better. Yet I still can only play 5 full songs, and a bunch of incomplete riffs. I don't know **** about scales, theory, or technique, i just do what I do. I've been playing for 2 1/2 years now, self taught.

Yet this kid pwns me at everything, and I mean EVERYTHING. It may not seem important to you guys, but it is to me. I ****ing hate it.

My fingers are ****, my guitar is ****, and I'm **** compared to him. Seriously.
I know it's not a competition, and I do play for the love of music. I just know I'm not getting better, and seeing things like that really urk me...You know?

And THATS why i'm seriously contemplating quitting.


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#3
don't practice just to be good at the guitar

play guitar because you love music

just listen and love music constantly

thats how i do it
#5
Dude, his vids are either fake or he has a sick teacher. Perhaps he started really early too, age doesn't matter when compared to how long you've been playing.
#6
Everyone gets to this point, even if they go on to later tell you to stop crying. Don't listen to that. Just set yourself up on a plan. The reason i didn't advance much when I first started teaching myself is that I didn't know what to practice. Set goals, find out what techniques you need to reach them, practice those techniques and hold yourself to it. Also, play with other people. They can show you lots of things without even knowing it. And as a last resort, walk away from it for a week or so and come back to it fresh. I did that and it actually worked.
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#8
I'm always where you are right now. I come so close to just giving up guitar because I don't think I'll ever be good enough, but I end up just hanging on for ****s and giggles, getting inspiration from **** guitarists instead of talented ones.

But christ I know what you mean. Everytime I go in a music store I see little 15/16 year olds shredding CoB and DragonForce songs.

My first axe was a piece of **** I found in a trash can and played for 3 years. I later worked and paid for all of my future gear...now we have preteens getting Les Paul Customs as first guitars

If I ever see some 14 year-old speed shredding with pro gear giving too him by his parents, I'm just gonna sell my gear... little cocksucker
Last edited by Sergeant Madd at Mar 6, 2009,
#10
dude seriously...
if u have a passion for the music u wanna learn, use that to your advantage when practicing. you will only get good if u really give it your all and dont half ass your practices.
as for the kid,
age does not matter,
he probably has been playing for a LONG time...
#11
The problem with a lot of these kids is that they are one dimensional players. **** them. Don't pay attention to it. Being able to shred for 45 minutes doesn't mean you know how to write or compose a good song. And they probably don't. Concentrate on the love of music and becoming a well rounded player.
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#12
Like other people said, it's not about being the best. Who cares if he's better then you are? If you're actually considering quitting guitar because someone is better then you, then clearly you're playing guitar for the wrong reasons.
#13
Just learn for yourself not for others. I practice lots because I wanna get to alevel where I feel comfortable. And this kid could have been playing his whole life. And just in case, don't compare yourself to your guitar heroes. They've usually had between 10-40 years experience.
#14
i was once at a point like that and had the same kind of views, but i kept going and learning and my view changed
most guitarists better than me i could care less about, and the ones i do care about i see as opportunities to learn something new not as something to compare myself to
most of these "9 year old shredders" or whatever you see on youtube only play popular songs by bands people know and will never play 2 original notes in a row and honestly they usually have no life
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#15
Quote by Scowmoo
Here's the deal.

I know I shouldn't give a **** about who's better than me and whatnot, but quite frankly i do. I just went to this kid's profile, and he's 12 or 13 i think. He shall remain nameless.

Anyways, I was watching his vids, and then I realized how young he was. I'm nearly 2 or 3 years older than him, and he's practically 9000 times better than me at guitar. I practise my ass off, day in and day out, just to get better. Yet I still can only play 5 full songs, and a bunch of incomplete riffs. I don't know **** about scales, theory, or technique, i just do what I do. I've been playing for 2 1/2 years now, self taught.

Yet this kid pwns me at everything, and I mean EVERYTHING. It may not seem important to you guys, but it is to me. I ****ing hate it.

My fingers are ****, my guitar is ****, and I'm **** compared to him. Seriously.

And THATS why i'm seriously contemplating quitting.


As said earlier, you should be playing because you love music.

And the reason you don't **** about scales, theory, technique etc. is because you are self taught. It's likely that you've already formed bad habits as well. I'd strongly consider lessons if you want to get serious with your playing.
#16
:/
I've just read through all the replies, some of them helped, and some didn't.
One thing I forgot to put in my OP is that I know it's not a competition, and I do play for the love of music. I just know I'm not getting better, and seeing things like that really urk me...You know?

And his vids aren't fake, trust me. :|


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Jackal is like 90.

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#17
Quote by pepsi1187
stop crying.. maybe if you learned scales, theory and technique, youd be better.


+1

**** man, have you actually red what you just wrote? I don't ****ing see Les Paul who is 100 years old, seriously, complaining about how this kid is much better than him even though he has been playing por about 85 years now! And for him this kid may be a little guy you may know, Vai or maybe Rhodes or Friedman?
**** man, fellows like you piss me off, love the music, do not try to be the best, once you have done this you shall be the best, not guitarrist, but musician out ****ing there!

****!!!!!

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#18
Quote by Scowmoo
:/
I've just read through all the replies, some of them helped, and some didn't.
One thing I forgot to put in my OP is that I know it's not a competition, and I do play for the love of music. I just know I'm not getting better, and seeing things like that really urk me...You know?

And his vids aren't fake, trust me. :|


So don't be filled with pride, just becouse someone teaches you how to play doesnt mean youre a failure!
Get yourself a good teacher!
#19
Quote by Ben-B
Like other people said, it's not about being the best. Who cares if he's better then you are? If you're actually considering quitting guitar because someone is better then you, then clearly you're playing guitar for the wrong reasons.


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+1

**** man, have you actually red what you just wrote? I don't ****ing see Les Paul who is 100 years old, seriously, complaining about how this kid is much better than him even though he has been playing por about 85 years now! And for him this kid may be a little guy you may know, Vai or maybe Rhodes or Friedman?
**** man, fellows like you piss me off, love the music, do not try to be the best, once you have done this you shall be the best, not guitarrist, but musician out ****ing there!



I never said I was quitting due to the sole fact that this kid is better than me. That's the thing that pushed me over the edge.

I'm contemplating quitting because I've been playing for 2 1/2 years, and I'm not improving no matter how much I practice. I play for my love of music, but you can't blame me for wanting to be good. No one can, because everyone wants it. EVERYONE.

:/

EDIT: I'm too poor to afford lessons, believe me, if I could, I'd get them.


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#20
So he can shred a guitar, thats pretty cool.


Can you use it in a song? The thing I notice on these forums there alot of singers,guitarists, but there aren't many songwriters.


Dont compare yourself to others, its not a competition. If you want to be like him/play better, then you should use his videos as motivation, I used to be into shredding due to my college encouraging it, but its not me, just adding this incase maybe you too are focusing on the wrong things.
#21
As much as I empathize with you, you need to get over it. The amount of time you've been playing often has little to do with how good you are. It's HOW you use that time that counts. You can improve very fast if you practice correctly, or you can get suck in a rut if you don't know how. I have nothing against being self-taught, but if you really want to improve immediately, start taking lessons with a good teacher. Not only will he or she help you with theory, you'll learn how to practice efficiently. Also, as much as I dislike kids who get really expensive guitars for their first instrument, there is nothing wrong with parents helping out their kids with gear. Christ, you're not a better person if you have to earn everything yourself. Some kids are just lucky, deal with it.
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#22
Well, hypothetically speaking, if I were to get enough money to get lessons (don't ask how i would acquire it...It's not illegal..I SWEAR! <.< about how much do they usually cost, and how do I know if they are a good teacher?


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#23
For about half an hour, lessons usually run anywhere from 15 to 25 bucks. At least, in my experience they have. As for the good teacher part, you may have to shop around a bit. Check Workshop Live for teachers in your area. That's how I found the guy I've been taking lessons with for years. A good teacher will inspire you to play better. He'll do more than just teach you songs, he'll teach how to play, how to write, how to be a musician. Sorry if that sounds a bit dramatic, but it's true.
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Last edited by HellRaiser620 at Mar 6, 2009,
#25
I've been trying to play guitar for 5 years. With a year break in the middle. I suck too. I don't let it bother me. I've got a girl that calls me "her rock star". That works for me.

Just keep playing. I like to just jam and forget about everything else. I hope someday it just "clicks" and stars will align and I'll be good. Until then, I'll just keep playing.
#26
Okay two things:

First reevaluate yourself and try to remeber why you started playing guitar?

Also, Don't feel bad about only being able to play 5 complete songs, **** I know alot of theory but I can't play songs/riffs to save my life (i haven't been practicing the playing part of the guitar :P)

Second setup a practice schedule where one day you alternate theory and the next day you learn music and write your own. I'd suggest getting a few drum tracks online, or I'd be happy to record you some and you solo over them.

IMHO, don't get a teacher, if you are TRULY ambitious and interested in something you will learn much faster and more succesfully than with someone holding you back. Also, with the cost of teaching, you could not take lessons and use the internet to learn. With the money you save, you could upgrade your guitar and amp and buy pedals. Getting new gear is one of the biggest motivators for me to get better at guitar. I just bought my second guitar and I learned about 10 new riffs in a week
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#28
Quote by amd123
Okay two things:

First reevaluate yourself and try to remeber why you started playing guitar?

Also, Don't feel bad about only being able to play 5 complete songs, **** I know alot of theory but I can't play songs/riffs to save my life (i haven't been practicing the playing part of the guitar :P)

Second setup a practice schedule where one day you alternate theory and the next day you learn music and write your own. I'd suggest getting a few drum tracks online, or I'd be happy to record you some and you solo over them.

IMHO, don't get a teacher, if you are TRULY ambitious and interested in something you will learn much faster and more succesfully than with someone holding you back. Also, with the cost of teaching, you could not take lessons and use the internet to learn. With the money you save, you could upgrade your guitar and amp and buy pedals. Getting new gear is one of the biggest motivators for me to get better at guitar. I just bought my second guitar and I learned about 10 new riffs in a week


Well, what are we waiting for? I need those Drum Tracks, NAO!


Please xD


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#29
lulz

There is always going to be someone that is going to make you jealous. I remember watching a video of a 11 year nailing scarified perfectly like it was none of his business. Oh yeah, and he had only been playing for 2 years.
#30
Quote by amd123
IMHO, don't get a teacher, if you are TRULY ambitious and interested in something you will learn much faster and more succesfully than with someone holding you back.

And that's where the argument starts.

Getting a teacher is not going to hold you back; it's not like he teaches you Drop 2 chords and that's all you have to play for an entire week. You learn something from the teacher, you practice it, you practice the other things you want, and then come back to ask questions and/or show what you've learned so far. You hold yourself back because you think you have to follow every word of your teacher, which isn't all true.

Getting a good teacher gives you invaluable (or probably around $20 per hour) experience.
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#31
Quote by Scowmoo


I don't know **** about scales, theory, or technique, i just do what I do. I've been playing for 2 1/2 years now, self taught.


there's your trouble. get a teacher, or self-teach yourself some theory. there's an ass load of excellent and easy-to-understand articles on this very website.

also, quit comparing yourself to others. it's lame and makes you seem like a douche.
#32
Sorry for the late reply. It's hard to tell if you've got a good teacher. I guess the best way to tell is if you feel comfortable learning from him/her and they seem like they know what they're doing. You'll probably need to take at least 1 or 2 lessons with a guy before you know whether or not he's a good teacher. No easier way of doing it, unfortunately.

It's all well and good to be ambitious and have drive, but if you don't know how to focus that ambition, it won't do you a bit of good. Oh, and regardless of whether you take lessons, learn the modes. They'll help with improving.
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#33
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Getting a good teacher gives you invaluable (or probably around $20 per hour) experience.


HOw do I tell if he's a good teacher? O_o


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#34
Quote by HellRaiser620
Sorry for the late reply. It's hard to tell if you've got a good teacher. I guess the best way to tell is if you feel comfortable learning from him/her and they seem like they know what they're doing. You'll probably need to take at least 1 or 2 lessons with a guy before you know whether or not he's a good teacher. No easier way of doing it, unfortunately.

It's all well and good to be ambitious and have drive, but if you don't know how to focus that ambition, it won't do you a bit of good.


Ahh, thanks. ^_^
I'll go look for lessons soon.

I have another question.
What if I don't improve from the lessons? :/


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#35
If you don't improve, there might be a problem with the teacher, or with you. It really has a lot to do with how you practice. You may have to experiment with what works for you, since no two guitarists are the same. I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you actually come up against this problem.
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#36
First of all, that 12-13 year old probably had an instructor and understood how to use scales, riffs, and other tricks. I bet you he had lessons probably for a while. BUT, if he's all speed, he must have practiced the same riff over and over again. Don't be negative just because you're willing to be better than him. Don't just learn songs, learn how to construct your own music and learn scales and riffs. Last year, I was pathetic, but later as I understood how to use the instrument, I improved "9,000" better than my bandmates, and some kids that were better than me last year. Don't quit, this website has valuable information that can help you. Also, look at other sites in the web that can help you benefit alot better
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#37
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i feel for you man
just...dw about them
as example...paul gilbert started guitar when he was 5 or 6 or something
but he is still a major influence in everyone

i dunno if that was a motivational or demotivational...

but yeah

just keep working hard!
#38
^Joe Satriani started when he was 14, and took him 15 years to release an album.

Even though that does sound motivational, by no means it is a set time that you should follow. Strive to understand the very basics to become advanced and, with dedication, paticence, time management, focus, and attention to WHAT you're practicing, you can become an advanced player in even LESS time.
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#39
You are looking at it all wrong. Are you talking about that kid over in the gear thread? I watched his vids today too. I started playing in 1987, yet that kid is loads better than me. I look at it as motivational. I can't blame it on my fingers being too short anymore.
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#40
i know what your going through,i remember i had the same problem.but just do it because you enjoy it.ans who knows you might be able to do something he cant
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