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#2
Japanese are better then MIM but not quite as good as American
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#3
Both are good, but the Japanese ones are better.
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#5
Regardless of MIM, MIJ, MIA, MIK, you still need to find one that's in good condition.

My 1999 MIM was really taken care of, and it looks and sounds great.

Also, keep in mind that MIJ models are typically more expensive than MIM's.
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Quote by yellowsnow4free
Regardless of MIM, MIJ, MIA, MIK, you still need to find one that's in good condition.

My 1999 MIM was really taken care of, and it looks and sounds great.

Also, keep in mind that MIJ models are typically more expensive than MIM's.


#8
Quote by Ninja Penguin77
Japanese are better then MIM but not quite as good as American


Actually, MIJ are better than MIM and MIA. But I guess that's just my personal opinion. Anyway, a MIM is also a quality instrument.
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#10
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made in japan are so much better then all ofthe mexican ones ive played.

You know, as much as that is true, or 'might' be true, I'll counter it. I've played loads of both Japanese and Mexicans and I'll tell you this... some are good, some are bad. Some are woefull, some are awesome. The difference being that you absolutely, under any circumstances, must, absolute must, play as many as you can before you decide.
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You know, as much as that is true, or 'might' be true, I'll counter it. I've played loads of both Japanese and Mexicans and I'll tell you this... some are good, some are bad. Some are woefull, some are awesome. The difference being that you absolutely, under any circumstances, must, absolute must, play as many as you can before you decide.



Good advice.

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#12
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The one that plays better.

that pretty much saids it all.
to be honest i find mia are all hyped, played couple mia strats and can't really say the mia is better then some of the mim i played, other then the extra fret and a nicer finish it has the same playbility as mim. of course there are lemons in the bunch,
#13
I've never gotten a chance to play a MIJ Strat, but I've had the opportunity to play a lot of MIA and MIM ones. I've never played a MIA that wasn't quality, but I'm sure some exist - and I've played a bunch of MIMs some of which sucked and some of which kicked ass (like mine ) so it's hard to say.

Definitely give both a try if you're considering getting one. You never know, the cheaper one might play the best for you.
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#14
Always try out first, but try out with a bias towards the Japanese one.

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#15
I'm the only one who puts the order at 1. MIA, 2. MIM, 3. everything else, don't bother?
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I'm the only one who puts the order at 1. MIA, 2. MIM, 3. everything else, don't bother?

Apparently, you've either never tried a Japanese Fender, or tried a fake cardboard guitar that was being passed off as a Japanese Fender, or are just racist and have tried one but would never admit it feels and sounds good (better than Mexicans, at the very least. In my opinion, exlusively Japanese models - the Jaguar Special, Jagmaster Vista, Wayne World Strat - are much better than several American Fenders).
#17
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Apparently, you've either never tried a Japanese Fender, or tried a fake cardboard guitar that was being passed off as a Japanese Fender, or are just racist and have tried one but would never admit it feels and sounds good (better than Mexicans, at the very least. In my opinion, exlusively Japanese models - the Jaguar Special, Jagmaster Vista, Wayne World Strat - are much better than several American Fenders).


MIA =/= the best. It varies from guitar to guitar, but alot of MIJ guitars are on par with or better than MIA, not just Fenders.
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or are just racist and have tried one but would never admit it feels and sounds good


What?!

It's about resell value to me. If a guy sells me a guitar, and will immediately buy it back for 80%, I feel much better about it than if the best offer is 25%. Never seen it happen like that with anything other than Fender MIA, Fender MIM, and Gibson LPs, and I travel across the US coast to coast in my job, and trade probably 50-70 guitars per year. I'll buy overseas, but I won't pay any more than a pawn shop would. Been reamed too many times to fall for the latest fad.

I can honestly say I have never heard brand preferences of consumer products linked to racism.

To each his own, I guess...

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#20
To me, I'd put them in this order:

MiA
MiJ
MiK
MiM

The Japanese and American are almost the same in my mind, but you get better electronics usually with the American made Fenders.
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That's probably the most retarded concept i've ever seen about guitars.


Not according to ebay, music stores, and pawn shops around the world.

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#22
I Picked up my '86 MIJ strat yesterday, its amazing. theres no end to the amazingness.
Never actually played a MIM though.
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#23
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Regardless of MIM, MIJ, MIA, MIK, you still need to find one that's in good condition.

My 1999 MIM was really taken care of, and it looks and sounds great.

Also, keep in mind that MIJ models are typically more expensive than MIM's.

this.

don't judge a guitar based on where it's made, what brand/model it is, the year it was made, specs etc. Judge a guitar based on how that individual instrument plays and sounds. There's little to no truth in saying "MIA is the best, then MIJ then MIM" or anything like that, because even though the pricing and the general standard at which they are built and the quality is checked over, there are some MIMs which will be better instruments than a lot of MIAs, for example.
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#24
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Not according to ebay, music stores, and pawn shops around the world.


Yes, and we pick the guitar, that is the best for ebay, music stores, and pawn shops around the world.
I haven't seen such an idiotic statement in my entire life.
#26
I`ve a mim strat and i like it , also i was told by one store owner the some of the american strats are assembled in mexico and transfered over the border and stamped as made in america ,cheaper labour more mark up that couldn`t happen could it?
yes all six strings buzz !! but it`s unique isn`t it
#27
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but you get better electronics usually with the American made Fenders.

tell that to the bad pot in my gibson
#28
Quote by millerdrr
I'm the only one who puts the order at 1. MIA, 2. MIM, 3. everything else, don't bother?

actually he has a point there. mia fenders retain their value quite well in the used market, but that is probably psychologically driven by the fact that brand new even the standard model cost over a grand, but of course i do see some mij well maintaining their price on the same level as a mia on ebay.
#29
Quote by millerdrr
What?!

It's about resell value to me. If a guy sells me a guitar, and will immediately buy it back for 80%, I feel much better about it than if the best offer is 25%. Never seen it happen like that with anything other than Fender MIA, Fender MIM, and Gibson LPs, and I travel across the US coast to coast in my job, and trade probably 50-70 guitars per year. I'll buy overseas, but I won't pay any more than a pawn shop would. Been reamed too many times to fall for the latest fad.

I can honestly say I have never heard brand preferences of consumer products linked to racism.

To each his own, I guess...



Dude, nobody cares about your damn re-sell value! When some body asks you which guitar is better out of two guitars they generally mean which guitar plays better/sounds better.

And obviously the guy meant biased, not racist, wrong wording but any person with common-sense could get his meaning...
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#30
Quote by kckyle
actually he has a point there. mia fenders retain their value quite well in the used market, but that is probably psychologically driven by the fact that brand new even the standard model cost over a grand, but of course i do see some mij well maintaining their price on the same level as a mia on ebay.


No, he would have point if the thread were: "Which Guitar is worth more/will retain value better". Sadly for some, it is not.
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#31
My uncle has a MIM strat
it was poorly setup
had a huge action
very poor tuning stability
it even felt like the neck was loose

moral of the story is: my uncle is a faggot
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#32
japanese

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I'm the only one who puts the order at 1. MIA, 2. MIM, 3. everything else, don't bother?


no, because if you ask me the japanese ones are the best, certainly in a "bang for buck" sense. the americans can be nice, but are nowhere near nice enough for the money.
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#33
Thing is with MIJ instruments is that the ones made during the 80s are quite rare since the companies had to halt production due to lawsuits by American companies who saw them as a threat.
I'd say that MIJ instruments are better since they're rather cheap and they have a high resale value because of how rare they are
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#34
Quote by gregs1020
The one that plays better.


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#35
Quote by millerdrr
Not according to ebay, music stores, and pawn shops around the world.


If by ebay, music stores, and pawn shops you mean people named Ed Roman, then yes you are correct. I have one MIA guitar. I play it the least out of the 3.
#36
You guys are sensitive! I only hope as you reach adulthood you come to understand the true concept of product evaluation and how it relates to the overall price. You kid yourself if you believe value is something that can be measured by anything other than opinions of a majority. That would be the concept of "auction". Of course, many players go their entire lives and never sell an instrument, nor do they care if money is lost in the transaction. You'll likely get away with youthful naivete on low-cost items like musical instruments, but I would advise you flush your minds of such lines of thinking before you start purchasing homes, cars and real estate.

Try this: which is better, vast tracks of cheap land in the desert, or a tiny lot on a major beachfront? "Better" is subjective, and a matter of opinion. "Value" is not. The very fact that so many of you don't understand that is how I made down payments on my last two vehicles.

[qoute="ruffdog64"]I`ve a mim strat and i like it , also i was told by one store owner the some of the american strats are assembled in mexico and transfered over the border and stamped as made in america ,cheaper labour more mark up that couldn`t happen could it?

That's a very big problem in my area. Also loads of counterfeit Gibson and Martin acoustic.


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You guys are sensitive! I only hope as you reach adulthood you come to understand the true concept of product evaluation and how it relates to the overall price. You kid yourself if you believe value is something that can be measured by anything other than opinions of a majority. That would be the concept of "auction". Of course, many players go their entire lives and never sell an instrument, nor do they care if money is lost in the transaction. You'll likely get away with youthful naivete on low-cost items like musical instruments, but I would advise you flush your minds of such lines of thinking before you start purchasing homes, cars and real estate.

Try this: which is better, vast tracks of cheap land in the desert, or a tiny lot on a major beachfront? "Better" is subjective, and a matter of opinion. "Value" is not. The very fact that so many of you don't understand that is how I made down payments on my last two vehicles.

[qoute="ruffdog64"]I`ve a mim strat and i like it , also i was told by one store owner the some of the american strats are assembled in mexico and transfered over the border and stamped as made in america ,cheaper labour more mark up that couldn`t happen could it?


That's a very big problem in my area. Also loads of counterfeit Gibson and Martin acoustic.


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I didn`t mean counterfeit fenders he was suggesting fender did this
yes all six strings buzz !! but it`s unique isn`t it
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#39
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Try this: which is better, vast tracks of cheap land in the desert, or a tiny lot on a major beachfront? "Better" is subjective, and a matter of opinion. "Value" is not. The very fact that so many of you don't understand that is how I made down payments on my last two vehicles.


depends which you need more. The big problem is that values can change (e.g. the credit crunch )... if you're *only* buying something because of resale value, if you ask me, you run the risk of getting into bother.

that's more for the political thread, though...
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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... Anyone that thinks that just because we like to get our money's worth in our instruments means we're screwing ourselves for business in the future is ignorant and bringing outside arguments into something with no relativity whatsoever.


You put "*rant" in my quote. I wasn't ranting.
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