Poll: Is having children moral?
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View poll results: Is having children moral?
yes
227 70%
no
76 23%
unsure
23 7%
Voters: 326.
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#1
I've always thought that putting another consciousness to experience life as we know it may actually be immoral. Just because most major religions condone it does not mean it is moral. And maybe since the social stigma of "having children is natural" is widely accepted, we often do not think of it this way.

Some people would say that as long as they wholeheartedly devote their lives to their child and give everything they can to their offspring it is not immoral. However, there's still a chance that that child will suffer, be the victim of a traumatic crime, will inherit some serious disease, or whatnot. Personally, I would not be willing to take that chance.

I think a counter-argument to this would be that it is no longer the parents responisibility if those things happen, that they're going to make the best of it, and that those things are a normal part of "life", and choosing to have children is natural and condoned by God or is a heathy natural instinct. Or that creating consciousness is actually a good thing, and that the potential for happiness fat outweighs the potential suffering in the child's life, particularly if the parents are loving and well-off financially. However, if "creating consciousness" is a good thing, then the countless couples in well-developed countries who choose to have one child despite being able to financially support several more are in the moral wrong.

I think all these reasons are mainly assumptions, and can be proven wrong, at least from my point of view, or if someone can give me a good reason why it is not.

I'm not saying that that how I expect other people to live,and that they're all immoral. I wouldn't force any of this down anyone's throat. If someone else wants to have children, fine. If my mom and dad want to make another baby, it's their lives and their choice. But I wouldn't want to have a kid because of the multiple reasons stated above.

What if you look at it this way: A life that is not lived (e.g. A baby not born, or the sperm cells my semen) does no harm, right?

A life lived (a baby born and conceived) has a chance of suffering, no matter how small.


I would personally choose the former.


tl:dr I don't want to have a kid, and not because it's too much work and commitment, but because I believe it's morally wrong
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#4
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The purpose of life is to procreate. Get out.


that is an assumption.

can you support that claim in any way?
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#5
Now wouldn't it be fun if everyone thought the same way as you. "I'm not going to have kids because it's bad!" Bye-bye, human race!

Honestly, that did not make a bit of sense to me.
#6
Well I think you need to consider whether or not your life has been so bad that you would rather have not been born. Life has many pleasures so I think it is a worthwhile risk. Even if something goes wrong you can still live a good life, people with downsyndrome can be happy even though something bad happened to them.
#7
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that is an assumption.

can you support that claim in any way?


Evolution. Get out.
#8
Don't want children, then fine, don't have them.

Just go fap instead.
#10
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that is an assumption.

can you support that claim in any way?


What's the purpose of life for any other animal?
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#11
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that is an assumption.

can you support that claim in any way?

Yes.
Being in the Pit= Virgin, no children
Being in the Pit= No Life

Therefore
No children=no life
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#12
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that is an assumption.

can you support that claim in any way?


because if we didn't procreate, there wouldn't be any life.
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#13
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Evolution. Get out.


evolution and life on Earth is bad and ugly.


Seriously, animals killing each other? People killing each other? I have seen enough though a history and/or carnivorus animal book.
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#14
Adopt a kid that is already in this world then, That doesn't have a home.
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#15
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Yes.
Being in the Pit= Virgin, no children


why would we need an ultimate sex thread if we're all virgins?

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#16
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#17
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why would we need an ultimate sex thread if we're all virgins?

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Why would we need superhero comics if none of us are superheroes?
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#18
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evolution and life on Earth is bad and ugly.

Oh, so you just hate life. Well I guess that explains everything we needed explaining. Thanks for watching, guys!
#19
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evolution and life on Earth is bad and ugly.


Seriously, animals killing each other? People killing each other? I have seen enough though a history and/or carnivorus animal book.


Wow animals killing other animals?! When did this start happening?
#20
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Adopt a kid that is already in this world then, That doesn't have a home.


yeah i've been thinking 'bout that.

I want one from Zambia. And one from Madagascar. mmmmm....


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because if we didn't procreate, there wouldn't be any life.


Why must there be life anyway?
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#21
If I'm honest, what you just wrote down is utter BS.
When creating new life, morality doesn't come into it. Maybe being selfish does, but not morality.
It could be seen as selfish to have children, as you want a child to make yourself happy, yet that child may suffer. But morally wrong? No, I don't buy it.
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#22
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Why would we need superhero comics if none of us are superheroes?

we aren't in the superhero comics ourselves, whereas it is us posting in the thread. Nice try, babes.

and why must there be life anyway? there doesn't have to be life. there just is.
#23
Quote by Laces Out Danny
evolution and life on Earth is bad and ugly.


Seriously, animals killing each other? People killing each other? I have seen enough though a history and/or carnivorus animal book.

If you want to seriously get on people's nerves, continue to focus on the negative. Pretend that the bad outweighs the good.
#24
I think that this is one of the most retarded theories I have ever heard.

I was about to type my reasoning why it isn't immoral, but what's the point? This thread is irrelevant.
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#25
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evolution and life on Earth is bad and ugly.


Seriously, animals killing each other? People killing each other? I have seen enough though a history and/or carnivorus animal book.


Death isn't an immoral thing, especially in the animal kingdom as animals have not sense of right and wrong.
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#26
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The purpose of life is to procreate. Get out.


You don t know that for sure.

TS, I think you re overlooking several things. Yes there are many negative aspects, but to counterbalance this there is a lot of positive stuff. So in a way, its not really harsh on the consciousness or helpful: it just depends on what happens in their life whether they might see it that way. Personally i take the highs with the lows: i d rather be alive than dead so i m glad i was created, even if bad **** has happened

Hope most of that made sense
#27
Also, it will be hard finding a woman to settle down with, That isn't interested in having kids like you are. One way or another, Your going to have A kid, or live your life alone, And grumpy.
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9/10 Bobo Jenkins just sounds godly in general. I think I'll name my firstborn child that. Male or female.
#29
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we aren't in the superhero comics ourselves, whereas it is us posting in the thread. Nice try, babes.

and why must there be life anyway? there doesn't have to be life. there just is.

But people who write superhero comics aren't superheroes.
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#30
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why would we need an ultimate sex thread if we're all virgins?

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Beause some of us like to brag about things they've never even done.
#33
Denying your kid the right to live is much worse than anything they'll face out here. Life sucks, but it's worth it, are you saying you wish you weren't born because it's immoral?

And it is natural to have kids, if no one did than life on earth would not exist.
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#35
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If I'm honest, what you just wrote down is utter BS.
When creating new life, morality doesn't come into it. Maybe being selfish does, but not morality.
It could be seen as selfish to have children, as you want a child to make yourself happy, yet that child may suffer. But morally wrong? No, I don't buy it.


okay, maybe I did assume that since it is selfish to have a child, then it is immoral to do so. My bad.
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#36
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But people who write superhero comics aren't superheroes.

Stan Lee is a superhero.

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#37
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tl:dr I don't want to have a kid, and not because it's too much work and commitment, but because I believe it's morally wrong

haha

#38
I feel the same way.
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#39
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This sounds like a troll.

TS should take his head out of his ass.



I'm not a troll. I seriously believe in what i'm saying right here.

I'm not saying that that how I expect other people to live,and that they're all immoral. I wouldn't force any of this down anyone's throat. If someone else wants to have children, fine. If my mom and dad want to make another baby, it's their lives and their choice. But I wouldn't want to have a kid because of the multiple reasons stated above in my topic post.
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