#1
Tried to learn yyz the other day and realized with 2 fingers I just was not fast enough. Now that I am trying to make picking with 3 a habit, I have some questions.

1. What kind of pattern should I do with my fingers? At the moment my middle is to slow to do some kind of 12321232 pattern. I have been practicing with a 321 type.

2. What are some good exercises for making this a habit?

Thanks for the help in advance.
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#2
The 321 is the one I normally do, but i've also been wondering the same thing.
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just keep practicing 123212321, and ure middle finger will eventually gain the speed :P
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Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.
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Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.


Nope, it's a habit.
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Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.


Well, I play bass with at most 3 fingers,, I just switch between 1, 2 or 3 depending on the kind of pattern I'm playing and the speed needed. It comes pretty natural if you do play bass.
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Quote by nugiboy
Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.


That's not always the case. It would if you just use the 321321 pattern, but if you were to say do a 3212 pattern it wouldn't mess up your timing if you practiced it and got it down to muscle memory.
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Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.


3 fingers, unless you get a good pattern going like 12321 or something, im not sure, it works as a way to stop your 2 fingers getting tired out when playing fast, so essentially you can play the same speed as you can go with two fingers, but for a lot longer when you use three. yo ucan achieve more speed with three as well but thats what i use my three finger playing for mostly.

but it doesnt mess up your timing a lot, just when yo utend to go REALLY fast you seem to get into a triplet pattern, well i do haha.
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That's not always the case. It would if you just use the 321321 pattern, but if you were to say do a 3212 pattern it wouldn't mess up your timing if you practiced it and got it down to muscle memory.


Have to say I use 1 3 2 1 3 2 etc. myself,, ^^
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Nope, it's a habit.


I'm a bass player. Two fingers is fast enough you just haven't got your speed up yet.

If you must include another finger, use your thumb. You can hit down, then up with you thumb, then follow with your two fingers. It takes some practice, but you'll be lightning fast after about a month.

For video's on this surf around for Victor Wooten lessons, he pioneered the technique.

If you would like your mind blown watch this video of him utilizing the technique. I highly suggest looking up the lesson he has for this also.

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#12
I asked my teacher about this the other day, and he said it's not really worth it, because of the angle you for your index and middle to strike evenly puts the third out of range of the strings. Maybe someone can elaborate what I'm saying? You almost need to picture it in your mind.
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Well from what I can see, it seems like it'd cause a strain injury in your little finger...

I play with two fingers, 'cause it's by far the most comfortable to play (for me). I'd advise you to just work on your speed.
#16
Yeah 2 fingers SHOULD be good enough because its not truly necessary to play so fast. But in your case all anyone can really suggest is just look up some lessons and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE
#19
imo 3-2-1 is priceless for playing Iron Maiden
i mean yeah, you could play it with 2 fingers, but what's the point?
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I tend to use the body of the bass to kinda push my hand back in.


Honestly, I hate using three fingers most of the time.


Play slow with two fingers. Play accurate. Build up.
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imo 3-2-1 is priceless for playing Iron Maiden
i mean yeah, you could play it with 2 fingers, but what's the point?


Heh, i started playing with three fingers because of The Trooper. +1


Anyway, it can definitely be necessary to play that fast kabloo. Mainly during metal though and really only when you just wanna keep up with the guitars. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378173 is a perfect thread on that matter.

3 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 3 is really fluid but it seems kinda inefficient to have your fingers go one then the other way over and over and over but it does definitely work.

3 - 2 - 1 - 3 - 2 - 1 is also really good, but you usually get a triplet sound which probably isnt a sound your willing to constantly deal with but it is easier.
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#22
YYZ has a lot of string crossing.
So I don't see how using 3 fingers would help?

I can play it pretty well with 2.

I use 3-2-1 when I use 3 fingers. But mainly on fast breakdowns or faster triplets.
It's hard doing 3-2 on one string and 1 on another..
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Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.


Well I find in alot of metal when you have a 16th, 16th, 8th triplet"ish" thingy, three fingers are a must

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Heh, i started playing with three fingers because of The Trooper. +1


Same here.


And as for the pattern, i do 3-2-1.
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I asked my teacher about this the other day, and he said it's not really worth it, because of the angle you for your index and middle to strike evenly puts the third out of range of the strings. Maybe someone can elaborate what I'm saying? You almost need to picture it in your mind.


That's the problem I had with playing with 3 fingers. My index and middle finger would be fine but I'd have to put my wrist at an odd angle to get my ring finger to hit. Which would end up moving my middle finger further away from where I wanted it so it slowed me down even more.
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Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.

it actually doesn't once you're used to it.


i just played the trooper over and over to build ring finger speed.
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doesnt Geddy play with 1 finger most of the time anyhow? i couldve sworn i saw some videos of him just using one and sometimes two
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#28
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YYZ has a lot of string crossing.
So I don't see how using 3 fingers would help?

I can play it pretty well with 2.

I use 3-2-1 when I use 3 fingers. But mainly on fast breakdowns or faster triplets.
It's hard doing 3-2 on one string and 1 on another..



Well in the intro when it does the whole
-------------------------------6-8-9--------
-----------------------6-7-9----------------
---------------6-7-9------------------------
-------8-8-9--------------------------------

part I figured since it was easier to use 3 fingers for 3 notes. I could just 321 then move up the string instead of 212 or something like that.
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O.K. With the whole string skipping thing and everything this is what I do and it may or may not be your thing.

When I skip around strings and doing arpeggios and stuff like when going from a smaller string to a bigger one I just use the same finger that already hit the first note to hit the second in a floating/speed picking kind of fashion. However; When I go to a smaller string from a bigger string I just hit it with whatever finger is next. All in all I could care less if I'm using a finger plucking patter. I just go with the finger that will get there the most fluidly and quickly.
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Quote by nugiboy
Im not a bass player so correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't using an odd number of fingers (3 in your case) mess up your timing alot? As most songs are in even time signatures, so it would be easier to count and time your playing if you played with two fingers only.

Not if you use the 12321232 pattern.
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I'll go with three fingers if I'm playing an Iron Maiden song for that gallop (though Harris uses two). Most of the time I use two though, thinking the 121212 in my head just feels more consistent and natural for most riffs in songs with regular timing. Some songs have that triplet feel though and that's when I'll bring my ring-finger in.
#34
just keep practicing 321321 at a constant speed but i dont think its practical for playing extensively id just use a pick if you need to use 3 fingers to keep pace and i find i just use 3 more to add to the rhythm of the part for a quick burst of speed