#1
What is the Best Distortion Pedal to play METAL and i'm talking Thrash and Death .. not noisy black, or mellow doom, or crappy nu, or any of that... that a pure brutal n crushing heavy distortion that works well with active pickups such as my EMG 81's ...

i was recommended the "Metal Muff" but i heard that it doesnt work well with EMGs or active pickups in general... is that a myth ? .. is the "Metal Muff" good or what ?
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Quote by Ghold125
first things first, what amp are you using?


a behringer 30 watt solid-state amp *embaressed*

well, i'm saving up for a new amp too.. maybe a 30 watt tube one.
#5
Then you have far more pressing concerns than pickups and distortion pedals - worry about sorting the amp situation first.
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#6
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Then you have far more pressing concerns than pickups and distortion pedals - worry about sorting the amp situation first.


since i'm getting an amp too.. would u recommend a certain amplifier that would sound good with my guitar and with the mentioned genres?

i'm thinking either "Roland Cube 60" (one of the best solid state amps out there) or "Randall RG100G3PLUS 100-Watt Guitar Combo Amplifier" (a fine valve/tube amp but a bit more expensive)
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Quote by Ezz_zombie
since i'm getting an amp too.. would u recommend a certain amplifier that would sound good with my guitar and with the mentioned genres?

i'm thinking either "Roland Cube 60" (one of the best solid state amps out there) or "Randall RG100G3PLUS 100-Watt Guitar Combo Amplifier" (a fine valve/tube amp but a bit more expensive)

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#8
get a good amp and you wont need a pedal
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#9
If your gonna be using EMGs all the time then your gonna want to find a tube amp. Switching SS amps isnt going to improve anything.
#10
Find a Tube amp first.

I'll recommend the Bogner uberschall if you can afford it or a Used 5150.
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Quote by Ezz_zombie
since i'm getting an amp too.. would u recommend a certain amplifier that would sound good with my guitar and with the mentioned genres?

i'm thinking either "Roland Cube 60" (one of the best solid state amps out there) or "Randall RG100G3PLUS 100-Watt Guitar Combo Amplifier" (a fine valve/tube amp but a bit more expensive)




the cube 60 is a good cheap modeling amp, not the best SS amp

the randall RG's are not tube amps


look on ebay for a used 5150/6505, XXX, or ultra (all made by peavey) combo.
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the cube 60 is a good cheap modeling amp, not the best SS amp

the randall RG's are not tube amps


look on ebay for a used 5150/6505, XXX, or ultra (all made by peavey) combo.


my bandmate has the Randal RG and it is a tube amp.. (however it has only two tubes ..wtf?)
and the cube 60 does sound good... the best SS as far as i've heard.

anyways, would switching from a crappy SS amp to a better SS amp make THAT much of a difference ? ... coz i cant really afford a good tube amp.. and i dont want a ****ty tube amp., so a SS modeling one would do fine i guess...

so, back to the main question... assuming i get a good SS amp and i'm on the clean channel (not using any amp mod) ... what distortion pedal would sound good? ...
i've been recommended electro-harmonix "metal muff"... and digitech distortion factory DF-7

PS: i dont mind sounding a "bit" digital; dying fetus does and we're kinda playing stuff in that style (and i also sometimes play thrash metal for the f+ck of it)
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#13
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Find a Tube amp first.

I'll recommend the Bogner uberschall if you can afford it or a Used 5150.

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if he's playing a behringer 30 watt right now there's no way he can afford an uberschall. i'd recommend a used 5150/6505+ combo, or maybe a peavey XXX. the valveking doesn't have enough gain on tap.
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#14
Thank you everybody for your help and precious advice,
i got the Roland Cube 80x amplifier and the Digitech DF-7 Distortion Pedal as that's what my budget would allow.

PS: the cube 80x is a great SS amp. definitely has more features and better sounding than the cube 60, it even features the "looper" option which i always wanted... it's really great sounding (for a SS amp) .. and as for the digitech pedal, it sounds digital and isn't THAT great but it provides a variety of distortion models and that's what i need in this stage, i'm happy with my gear for now, and when i have more cash and willing to upgrade i'll go for what you guys recommended.. thanx again
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#15
you could have bought a valve combo rather than the roland and DF-7. just my opinion.
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#16


you should have listened to us

modeling + distortion pedal = ****, plus the roland cube has enough gain on its own i believe.

god... should have bought something good like a b-52 at-112 ffs...
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#17
Quote by nutinpwnsgibson


the cube 60 is a good cheap modeling amp, not the best SS amp

the randall RG's are not tube amps


look on ebay for a used 5150/6505, XXX, or ultra (all made by peavey) combo.

The RG is a Hybrid amp, utilizing a SS preamp and a Tube Poweramp, IIRC. they are actually decent amps. i played through one at a buddy's house and i liked it.
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#18
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you should have listened to us

modeling + distortion pedal = ****, plus the roland cube has enough gain on its own i believe.

god... should have bought something good like a b-52 at-112 ffs...


That. You spent about $500 on a modeling amp and pedal. You could have gotten a B-52 or 5150 used, which would blow away that Roland amp, and you wouldn't even need a distortion pedal. Either way, you would have had real tube tone.
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#19
Why do people even ask if they're only gonna listen to what they want to hear lol.
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#20
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id say metal muff but then again all those metals sound the same to me.


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#21
Actually the RG50TC is a tube amp. 50 watts. It has 4 12AX7EHS pre amp tubes, and 2 EL-34 power tubes.
#22
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That. You spent about $500 on a modeling amp and pedal. You could have gotten a B-52 or 5150 used, which would blow away that Roland amp, and you wouldn't even need a distortion pedal. Either way, you would have had real tube tone.


i couldnt find anyone selling the peavy 5150 in Egypt (towel-head land ) .. i'd pay thrice its value on the shipping alone... so, i was stuck with that actually...

and to that guy saying that SSamp + pedals = *** ... if you use it on the CLEAN channel and operate the pedal it'll sound good.. however -obviously- if you use an amp model with alot of gain and then apply a distortion pedal, you'd have a pretty crappy sound.

AND ... to that other guy wondering why i was asking for opinions if i'm not gonna listen i say: i -unfortunately- arent lucky as you guys, and i have very VERY limited options, and we dont have a "used instruments" market around here... there are only a few providers and very limited (and overpriced) options... i paid about 600$ for the amp and the pedal ... and that ltd ax-400 guitar was 720$ ... and the zakk wylde wah pedal was for 200$ !!! so, i kinda spent every penny i had saved over the past year getting that gear... anyways, i did benefit from posting this thread.... that 5150 recommendation was a useful piece of information as it helped me choose the amp coz the cube has a 5150 model in it and it sounds pretty decent (OF COURSE not as good at the original) but i've tried it in the store b4 buying it and it sounds alot like the original 5150... and it also has that mesa-boogie model which is pretty good too. all i need now is a good cabinet, a crate maybe (that's what's available here)

PS: the DF-7 sounds like sh*t on the metal settings ! ... it's just good for the variety of distortions modes in it... however, NOT recommended ! ... i should've gone for the metal muff
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#23
Anyone using active emg's have a problem with it not having a heavy distortion sound? Plugged up to my uncle's marshall half stack and couldn't get a metal sound out of it but yet his carvin sounded nasty with the same amp settings and was louder. My 9v battery is new btw.
#24
Quote by HarleyDC
Anyone using active emg's have a problem with it not having a heavy distortion sound? Plugged up to my uncle's marshall half stack and couldn't get a metal sound out of it but yet his carvin sounded nasty with the same amp settings and was louder. My 9v battery is new btw.


*reported* for necrobumping, but I'll answer and suggest you make a new thread. Marshall vs Carvin doesn't mean anything if you don't tell us what amp it was. Settings don't translate form amp to amp either, some amps will need certain settings to sound their best and other amps might need different settings.

Start a new thread and try to state your question with more detail, like what you amps you used and what you're trying to achieve soundwise.
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