#1
Hi!

Im about to buy my second e-guitar. I chosed ESP Ltd KH-602 guitar. I have a few questions:

- Should I buy this guitar with Floyd Rose, I am a beginner ( playing one month ), but I think I will need FR later, someone sayed that I should buy an Eclipse?
- Can you remove the tremolo arm on FR, I won't need it at first?
- Is it really that hard to change strings on FR?

And another thing, I am planning to buy a new amp. too. I need it for practise and later maybe to play with others. I have to chose between theese two
-Marshall MG100DFX
-Line 6 Spider III 75W
#3
u shouldn't get the guitar with a floyd if you've only played a month, and, chances are, you won't "need" it ever, its usually just a luxury (unless you play stuff by steve vai). the eclipse was a good call, i'd go for that, cuz its simple, yet high quality and somewhat versatile (get the one with seymour duncans, not emgs)
#4
You can remove the tremelo arm easily.

It's not too hard to restring it.

A floyd rose really won't make too much of a difference.
#5
I wouldn't buy a floyd rose guitar unless you feel you need one at the time, instead of thinking about the future.

Play your current one for now and learn on that See how your musical tastes change then make a decision based on what you would like from a guitar in a few months to a year. It'll save you money and save you from kicking yourself after a few days of purchase.

On the amp side of things take both the MG and Spider off your list, what genres of music do you play? have a budget too? Location?

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#6
Quote by 2MoreWeeks
You can remove the tremelo arm easily.

It's not too hard to restring it.


A floyd rose really won't make too much of a difference.


keep in mind he's only been playing one month now


...I'd say keep playing on what you have now, and yes, the eclipse might be good as well, what kind of music do you play?
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#7
dude seriously a month and your buying a new guitar?
leave it a while longer, at least until you've found your prefered music style and can find a guitar which suits it
#8
75w and 100w amps are ridiculous for someone playin for a month, get somehting 30w, like a vox, there relatively cheap and good. as for guitar if u really need one get an eclipse coz like the other guy sed there good quality and not too pricey.
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#9
Usually I'm all for upgrading, but unless your current gear is complete crap, I'd say keep on playing before you buy anything new, so you have some experience under your belt before deciding on anything.

The guitar you mentioned is a fairly specialised instrument. The Floyd, as well as the active pickups are not for everyone. You should really know exactly what you are doing before deciding on equipment like that. Both amps you listed aren't all that great, either.

I say take your time, or you might end up spending money on equipment you'll dislike in the end.
#10
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#12
no, i mean like this person joins this month and asks about the two most bandwagon hated amps at once and a bandwagon hated guitar....
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#13
I didn't know people here hated the KH guitar. Nah, I don't think he's trolling, I mean those are amps that you can see in any given music store, he's bound to run into them and consider them.
#14
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no, i mean like this person joins this month and asks about the two most bandwagon hated amps at once and a bandwagon hated guitar....


I didn't know that, thats why I'm asking. And the old guitar is broken ( neck ), I'm that kind of a person that plans things for the future.

And the amps, I got a 15 W Ibanez at home ( I play Black Sabbath, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, that kind of stuff ),I thought I should buy a new one, becuase I will need it later for playing with some friends.

And I ment serious playing guitar for one month, I got that guitar 3 years before and played for fun in that time, you know what I mean.
#15
meh your probably right...
so anyways, what will this equipment be used for? and your budget?
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#16
I'm currently without a guitar. The amp will be used at first for practise, but I thought of playing in a band for fun or jam with friend so figured 15W won't be enough.

The budget? You suggested me ESP Eclipse, I will first try it and then decide. I have enough money for an Eclipse and enough for that Marshall amp; is there a better amp. for that price?
#17
Well, what music do you want to play?

EDIT: I just read your last post, so I know what you play, but anyway, where are you located and how much exactly are you willing to spend?
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#18
....budget?
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#19
Well as I sayed, arround 1500 € for guitar ( Eclipse will do - 1599 € ) and 300 € for an amp, but I thought if that Marshall one is OK I would save some $. I am buying all my stuff from Thomann
#20
maybe you should even up that budget a little.... like spend some more money on an amp
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#21
Spending your money like that is not that great of an idea. Most of your sound quality comes from your amp. It's best to split your money 1:1, so you'd have roughly 800€/900€ for each. Well, roughly.

Have a look at this combination:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/engl_screamer_50_roehrencombo_e330.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/framus_diablo_pro_natur.htm

Both good quality brands with an outstanding reputation. I've tried the two and they are great value for money. The guitar might not be pretty, but in it's price range, you can either have a pretty instrument or a good one - the people who go for a good one are usually the happier ones in the end.
Both guitar and amp are aimed at versatility and will sound good for the bands you mentioned. Also, both are very good value in Europe, because they are made in Europe and therefore you don't have to pay import taxes for them.
ESP guitars are nice instruments, but I think they're a bit too pricey around here.
#22
My biggest reccomendation to a new guitarist (or a new one that is taking seriously as you put it) is to walk into a music store and just try out the guitars they have. It seems like you want to play classic/hard rock, which in my opinion is a great genre to start in. But now you gotta get a guitar that suits that genre, as well as yourself. Do you like a thin neck? Thick neck? Would you hate spending a while loading strings into a FR? Would you mind spending 30+ minutes retuning and rebalancing the bridge everytime you decide to change tunings? Is a clean sound imporant to you? Do you want versatality in your guitar? I can keep going, but you get my point by now. Ask yourself all of these questions when buying your instrument, and the more you don't know some of the questions you that ask yourself, the more you should consider going to a music store to test some out.

As far as an amp goes, that's something you don't need to go to a music store as much. While preferance in tone varies, you don't actually play your amp, you play your guitar. So the guitar has more factors because of being comfortable or uncomfortable while playing. I wouldn't reccomend either of those amps either. Try a 25W amp. It's gonna go much louder than you think, it's not too big of a money sinker, and it's perfectly playable in your bedroom. I'm gonna go ahead and suggest a Roland Cube 20/30X. You got a nice size amp, with lots of power, pretty good versatality, and some nice effects for classic/heavy rock.
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#23
1. you DONT want a guitar with a floating tremolo, let alone a crappy floating tremolo, after such a short time of playing as your only guitar

2. put more of the $ into the amp fund, i know numerous guys who made the mistake of buying nice guitars and pedals as their first gear upgrades, but they still sound like sh1t through their starter kit amps. the high wattage MG and the spider are two of the worst amps you can get. since your in england, marshalls might be a good place to look though.
a used JCM900 combo should be perfect, and would leave enough left for a great guitar
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#24
Thank you all for your advice. It made me think... Anyways, I think I will at first buy me a practise amp, so what do you think of Roland Cube 60 ( or 30 ) for practise, 200 - 250€? From what I saw it is better than Marshall MG?
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#25
It' better than the MG, yeah, but I'd rather have a Peavey Vypyr or a Vox VT. The 30w versions of those amps cost 200€.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/vox_vt30.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_vypyr_30.htm

The Problem with Cubes is that they are good for metal distortion and clean sounds, but don't do mid-gain stuff like Zeppelin or other rock well. The Vox and Peavey are better at that. Of course, if you don't need mid-gain sounds, a Cube is just fine.


EDIT: By the way, those are all solid state amps. EMG pickups usually sound pretty poor through those, so an EMG equipped guitar is probably not a good choice at this point.
Last edited by TheQuailman at Mar 13, 2009,