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So I've decided to refine my tone abit. I've got a Randall RG100G3Plus which sounds awesome, pleanty of gain and not as 'digital' sounding as other solid state amps.

But I am using EMG's which are alright but I'm starting to hear what people are saying about active pickups and SS amps. I played one of my mates guitars that had some kind of Dimarzios pups through my amp and it sounded really nice.

So I want to pop a new bridge pickup in My RR24. I mostly want a chunky but clear rhythm sound but I also want a nice lead tone. And even though a sweet clean tone isn't the priority for this guitar it doesn't mean I want the most powerful pickups imagineable. I still my sound to be clear and not muddy.

tl;dr: I want a passive bridge pickup for a modern metal rhythm tone to put in a alder body guitar with a floyd rose trem

EDIT: I duno whether alcino will be strong enough, or if ceramic won't be as clear as alcino
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#4
DiMarzio Breed sounds exactly like what you want. Maybe a DiMarzio Evolution.
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#5
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Any specific model? I heard the JB is good, but I've also heard it can be abit shrieky. And despite alot of bands i like the tone of (eg: Arch Enemy, Lamb of God) use them they also have complex amp setups (mark morton uses two Mark IV's at the same time) to get a big rhythm tone. And I'm not sure if it will have the gain for a big sound with a simple setup like mine

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DiMarzio Breed sounds exactly like what you want. Maybe a DiMarzio Evolution.


The breed sounds like it might be good. Also what is the X2N like?
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Don't know, I've never played one. I have played an Evolution, but my recommendation of Breeds is mostly based on the fact that Steve Vai uses them and he has one of the best lead tones I've ever heard.
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#8
Doesn't he Vai use the Evo the most though? Also, even though he does have a nice Lead tone my main priority is a really ballsy rhythm tone. Also Vai's pickups are desighned for a basswood body guitar arn't they? So would they lack low end in a alder guitar?

EDIT: The guitar I want the pickups for I have tunes to drop C, just to complicate descisions
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#9
The Breed and Evo can probably still do that also. You might also want to check out a Super Distortion for a rhythm tone, but the SD is not a very articulate pickup (which is why I love it), especially for a DiMarzio.
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The Breed and Evo can probably still do that also. You might also want to check out a Super Distortion for a rhythm tone, but the SD is not a very articulate pickup (which is why I love it), especially for a DiMarzio.


+1

Breeds are great pickups, and although I have been told Evo's can do metal rhythm, I haven't personally heard it.

Drop Tunings? Look into the D-Sonic, amazing pickup.
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[quote="'']Any specific model? I heard the JB is good, but I've also heard it can be abit shrieky. And despite alot of bands i like the tone of (eg: Arch Enemy, Lamb of God) use them they also have complex amp setups (mark morton uses two Mark IV's at the same time) to get a big rhythm tone. And I'm not sure if it will have the gain for a big sound with a simple setup like mine


The breed sounds like it might be good. Also what is the X2N like?


The JB is much too bitey, it won't be nice in combination with your amp...
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+1

Breeds are great pickups, and although I have been told Evo's can do metal rhythm, I haven't personally heard it.

Drop Tunings? Look into the D-Sonic, amazing pickup.


Well doesn't John Petrucci use the D-sonic? He has a awesome rhythm tone. But thats probly mainly due to all the Mesas he has lol. Could be the pickup I'm looking for though

Anymore recomendations? People are recomending seymour duncans but no specific models. Also is the Nailbomb worth the pricetag?
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[quote="'']Well doesn't John Petrucci use the D-sonic? He has a awesome rhythm tone. But thats probly mainly due to all the Mesas he has lol. Could be the pickup I'm looking for though

Anymore recomendations? People are recomending seymour duncans but no specific models. Also is the Nailbomb worth the pricetag?
Yes, John uses them, and yes the Mesas probably contribute greatly to his tone

But, I've played with them on other cheaper tube amps and some pretty decent ones, and even a few SS. They're pretty good across the board (with the right amp), although I wouldn't suggest them for the insane channel on an SS spider

BKP's are generally great pickups for most people, but again, it's down to preference.

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i say either a BK warpig, BK nailbomb, or D sonic
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[quote="'']Doesn't he Vai use the Evo the most though? Also, even though he does have a nice Lead tone my main priority is a really ballsy rhythm tone. Also Vai's pickups are desighned for a basswood body guitar arn't they? So would they lack low end in a alder guitar?

EDIT: The guitar I want the pickups for I have tunes to drop C, just to complicate descisions
The Breed has more balls than the Evo and is specifically voiced for Alder.
It should handle dropped tunings very nicely as well, although I'd be tempted to take a DiMarzio D-Sonic because the bass response is tighter than Ace Frehely's trousers.

In terms of Bare Knuckles, the Holy Diver would actually be your best bet. It's incredibly thick but still articulate. It's a comparable to the breed but better at everything; thicker tone, more clarity, more balls, more organic and higher quality.
The Painkiller would handle your dropped tunings better though.
The War Pig would probably be a happy medium.
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Okay thanks for all your help dudes. I've been looking around aswell as hearing your opinions and I think I'm gunna order a D-Sonic

Oh and another thing, since I've got to completly rewire my guitar to use a passive, is it worth getting a dimarzio pot/jack socket ext? I mean are they better than the cheaper stuff or am I just paying for the name

Also just to make sure, I'm after a 500k pot right?
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[quote="'']Doesn't he Vai use the Evo the most though? Also, even though he does have a nice Lead tone my main priority is a really ballsy rhythm tone. Also Vai's pickups are desighned for a basswood body guitar arn't they? So would they lack low end in a alder guitar?

EDIT: The guitar I want the pickups for I have tunes to drop C, just to complicate descisions
The Breed is pretty ballsy, in case you were wondering.
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#18
I'm running a Vetta II with a pretty wide variety of guitars and pickups.

the EMG 81 does pretty well, if not one of the better pickups suited for the Vetta. It's brightness and punch really helps kick out compression and boost the articulation which is normally lost in SS amps.

My carvin pickups are medium in output and probably midrange as far as brightness/darkness goes. The guitar is maple and walnut yielding a bright overall tone. Again, despite the pickups not having the output as the EMG's, the guitar cuts really well because of the woods used.

Ibanez RG2228 and EMG 808s... these pickups tend to get pretty compressed with the warmer, fatter alnico magnets. when you adjust the amp specifically for these pickups you honestly can't beat the tone, if you plan on using the same settings from guitar to guitar these pickups can get pretty muddy, even on the higher strings.

Ibanez RG7621 with pickups similar to the Evos. These have a mid 90's dimarzio specifically made for the RG7621. I really like the tone I get with these. Very spongy and tight if that makes sense. Think of Lamb of God meets Adam Jones. You have just enough saturation to sustain, yet enough attack and midrange snap to really cut through.

I'd aim for a brighter pickup. I prefer higher output pickups with the Vetta, I'm sure the randall is a little less compressed. The thing is, you don't want a pickup that is bass heavy. A strong midrange, specifically upper midrange and highs will help you the most.

Hope this helps.
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Hm, maybe a Duncan Distortion, but that's a JB with a gigantic ceramic mag. It's bright as **** all (according to the tonechart on SD's site) but it has a big mid hump too.
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Solid state amplifier are not digital ffs. They are analog just like tube amps.

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Solid state amplifier are not digital ffs. They are analog just like tube amps.


Well, technically the digital refers to the preamp. Solid state tends to refer to the power section.

That being said, if you know how a specific amp responds anyway it doesn't matter what it is because in the end it's the final result youre looking for. Knowing that solid state amps have the compression most tube amps lack, having a dynamic pickup is a necessity for a good tone. Dynamics are going to be more dominant in a brighter pickup than a rather flat one.
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