Page 1 of 3
#1
A Little Thing Called Common Sense


Introduction:


Hello, everyone. My name is toxictaipan here on UG, and after reading various topics (here and in other places) and having experiences in real life, I have decided to make a topic to discuss common sense. I don't plan on making this very short, because I have many points and topics to cover. I've also aimed this at a more mature audience, but I don't mean mature by age. I mean mature by attitude, I don't expect an 11 year old to care for this topic, but all ages are free to read and share their thoughts if they wish (it's not like I can stop you, I'm just letting you know you're welcome to speak you mind here without negative thought toward your age to the maturity of this topic. Example: "Oh, you're way too young to know anything about that."). For the record, I'm only 14, and I know how immature some of my peers can be, so I feel this is a very mature topic coming from someone my age. Maybe I wont word it as mature as I'd like, but oh well. Here goes nothin'.

So if you don't like reading or deep discussions, this is your stop.

Please note that this topic to to discuss opinions and views from our whole community, so no flame war stuff AT ALL. Your view is just as welcome as anyone else's, you are not to come here to put down other's thoughts just because you disagree.

If the mods find this too deep or don't like the idea of this, please close or delete this thread, I just thought this would be a very interesting topic, but I don't think it's breaking any rules.


Let's Begin the Discussion

Okay, let's get to it. As stated above, I plan to cover multiple topics here, and I'm writing this in text editing software because I want this to be really clear and understandable with good points made, not rushed and incomplete.

I really want everyone to read the whole thing if you're going to be a part of this discussion, but feel free to skip around as you wish. Are you ready? Don't worry, I'm not either.


The Way We Treat Other People

Okay, I wanted to start this off with a simple and easy to understand topic that wouldn't scare anyone away right from the get-go. So let's talk about something we've all experienced: Jerks.

One day at a small tournament, a Pre-Releases I believe (I play the Pokemon TCG, make fun of me if you will, I don't care. I was just going to let you know you might not get some of this due to the fact you probably don't play Pokemon.), we all went to go see the next round pairings. Being held in a small hobby shop, it's kinda crammed getting to and from the Standings sheet when all three divisions are trying to fit between two rows of tables, so we all inch our way up. I find my name on the list and find my table number. I see my oppenent is the "crowd" and call him over. As soon as he gets to me, we're still trying to inch ourselves away. With people in front of me, I can only move so fast. So, he gets behind me and tells me to, "Move faster," and then shoves me. I lose some of my balance and hit the person in front of me, a Junior mind you (and him). So I quickly apologize and get to my table. I expressed my feeling toward what had happened to the person who shoved me before we began our match. I just don't understand how someone could be like that. We're all trying to get out, we're all moving slow, and he has to go shoving people? I just don't get it, what's the point? What does he gain from shoving me into other people? Creative name calling before a match? Oh wow, real mature.


I'll end this topic now, you get the point that I'm trying to make. Don't you? Why do people act so rude and mean to everyone, even people who have done nothing to them? What do they gain from this? It's just so wrong the way we treat each other.


The Way Parents Raise Their Kids

So, now that we've discussed the way people act so rude. Let's get to the problem: The way they're raised.


As a parent, having your only job in life being to raise your child correctly. Nothing else matters in your world until you're 100% sure your child was raise up right. So how could you make a mistake in this? No, wait, I take that back. Everyone makes mistakes, but why must you make so many? Did you not learn from the first? Second? Fourth? Tenth? What excuse do you have to raise someone like the people stated above? How could you let yourself be a failure? I just couldn't imagine not raises my kids right. You are the authority in their lives, they do as you say. You tell them what's right, and what's wrong. When they break the rules, or do something against your wishes, you punish them (Like grounding, I don't mean beating kids up). What else could be easier? It's not rocket science.

It's time to end this one, too. My point here is simply just trying to say that no matter what you do, parenting isn't something you can do just half-way. You have to stick with it for at least 18 years, if not more. Don't take on the challenge if you can't handle to pressure. Are we going to have to start passing out tests to see if people are suitable for parenting? Get real, people.


TV and Video Game Ratings and Censorship

Ratings are a good thing. They help us decide what to let our children watch based on the content inside. This is definitely a plus, but why are they so strict? I understand why they include sexual and violence ratings, but why do we need one for language? Better yet, why do we have "language" at all? (I'll explain in the next section) And I really don't understand the violence category, either. I know I just said I did understand it, but let me explain.

There are parents who don't want their children to get the wrong idea from watching TV and playing games. I can respect that, but between you and me, I've been playing video games since I was about, ummmm, like, born. I remember playing mortal kombat when I was 4. That's kinda young to be playing video games, much less M rated ones. But take a look at me, even though I've been playing violent video games since I was 4 I still don't walk around beating people up, I've never had the urge to shoot someone, I've never tried to rip someone's head off, I've never hijacked a car. I haven't even ever been in a fight. Do you know why? You guessed it, and it's what this is all about. I was raised with COMMON SENSE. If parents raised their kids with some common sense like mine did me, we wouldn't have kids taking guns to school, or kids steeling cars. Or at least, not as many. There's always going to be a mental case out there...

I can understand one for heavily violent scenes involving lots of blood and gore, guns and stuff, but having a show rated "TV-Y7-Mild Fantasy Violence" What's up with that?

"NO MOMMY I DON"T WANNA SEE THE FARIES HIT EACH OTHER!!!!!"

I know kids who eat the crap up like breakfast cereal. And we have a Rating for it. AHAHAHAH!!


Language

They're just words after all. I mean, if someone were to say, "Holy Crap!" What's the difference if they say, "Holy ****"? It's the same exact message, but yet everyone views the second phrase much more offensive. Is it just me, or have we lost our minds? It's just a word, a made up word. What's the problem? We view any of the list of seven, and a few more not on that list very inappropriate, and sure, some of them are. But what about the one above? "Crap/poop/dung/turd/etc" over ****? I just don't get it, they're the same to me. Let me put it this way: If you were to put a picture next to both words in the dictionary, you'd use the same picture. Simple enough, right?

So why does everyone view them as "bad words"? We image what things look like as we speak and hear, our brains are an amazing thing. So when you say, "Crap" or when you say the other word, you instantly think of the same thing. What makes the other one so much worse?


And it's time for an end to this one, too. My point should be crystal clear. They're just words that mean the same thing, but yet one is worse than the other. No, I don't get it either.
#2
props

To continue on the topic of language...

During the medieval era there were two very close languages similar to the one we use today. The two languages were split up depending on your social class. Anyone in the royal family would learn "proper" English, while peasants used their own form.

Words like "****" were considered "bad words" and weren't supposed to be said...

Fast forward 800 or so years and it's still the same two classes of a language we all speak looked down upon by "higher" social social classes.

I propose a sticky if you please
No means maybe
Last edited by pilgrimevan at Mar 16, 2009,
#6
I know you're not supposed to double post but the stupid character limit wouldn't let me post my whole thread. I hope the mods let me slide on this just once. I promise to never EVER do it again.

EDIT: Oh, Slow *** dial-up internet saved my ***!


Nudity

Okay, this is a touchy subject, but I'm going to see if I can't handle this sensitively.


First off, before I say anything here I'm going to bring religion into the mix. I normally don't do this, and I really don't like to add religion into discussions because everyone has their own views and opinions, and perhaps the strongest are in this area, but anyway. When God created Adam and Eve, he created them, you guessed it, naked. When Eve ate the Fruit, they learned about good and evil, and eventually realized they were, ummm... Naked....

If God created us nude, he obviously didn't have a problem with it, right? Okay, you're not religious, we evolved naked. Happy? Either way, we aren't born with clothes on. Why do we view nudity the way we do? Nudity is just not acceptable in public, that's what society tells us. But why? Why does society tell us this? God didn't mind, we surely didn't (but do now), but yet it's almost taboo today. People just think it's bad. I don't get it. I mean, I'm not against clothes or anything, I love the idea of clothes, I can't stand being cold. I'm just saying we view nudity like it shouldn't even exist. It's a privet matter between you and yourself, but you're born naked for the world to see. What made us feel this way? I know we've been wearing clothes for thousands of years, but that's besides the point. Why are we so ashamed of our own bodies, and why are we so offended by other people's? What if it was impossible to make clothes, would we walk around covering ourselves with our hands? And what about animals, why don't they fret over things like this? My dog could care less about being naked as long as he has food and a good belly rub every now and then, and that's the truth.

Yep, I done here. I don't want to come across like the whole world should be a nudist community or anything like that. I'm just saying it's natural, and there's nothing wrong with it, and that it's not such a big deal. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear clothes, I'm just trying to figure out why we just can't accept being naked. We as humans are (supposed to be) more intelligent than that.

And please don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about nudity in a sexual manner. I'm just talking about nudity. There is a difference between sexuality and nudity, that's why they're two different words.


People, is it just me, or have we lost our common sense?

I just don't get it, what has the world come to? You see, Japan has the right idea, or at least they're closer to it than us. They don't care if their kids hear a few "bad words" in their cartoons, they don't freak out about the smaller things like we do. Why are we so worried about things like this? Are we that focused on trying to be perfect? And I know we're not the worst, other countries are even stricter, but we're the "free nation" right? I'm just lost for words as to how stupid we all really are. I sure do type a lot to be lost for words, huh? Oh you just wait, I'm not even done yet. I had you hopes up with this little section here, didn't I?


Religion

Okay, I want to talk about religion now. I'm going to tell you a little story that happened to me and my mom in the grocery store one day. Well, like any day you go to the grocery store, we were buying food. My mom was wearing some shirt that had something to do with the band Black Sabbath. I think it was a shirt that said something about some rock tour or whatever, but that doesn't matter.

For those of you who don't know (which coming from here, you should), they are a metal band. One of the first and most influential actually... But anyway, this person walked up to us as started basically preaching to us about how if we listen to that music we won't get into Heaven and all that nonsense. And obviously liking Pokemon, you know I've heard I'll go to heck for it, too. So, basically I can't do anything I want to without going to heck, how lucky am I?

Now I'm not trying to attack religious people here, I can respect your beliefs, but I expect you to respect mine in return. I understand that in the Bible it tells you to spread the name of the Lord, but there is a limit on this. You can't just force someone to do something they don't want to, you just can't. They can ask me anything they want, invite me to their church, or anything else because I respect their beliefs and I'm not a rude person, but when you tell me I'm not going to Heaven because I listen to a noise (because that's all music is: a sound) you've crossed the line. I ask of you to find me one verse in the Bible that says I'll go to heck for listening to rock music. Find one, just one. When you find that, you've won the argument, but until then don't threaten me on assumptions. God didn't give you that right.

So my question is: where do they get off? What gives them the right to threaten someone like that? What makes them better than me? If they truly believe I'll go to heck for listening to rock music, then why don't they care? I want to listen to it and I'm going to listen to it, I've made my choice. Let's say I will go to heck for it, let me go. I obviously knew the risk, and as far as your concerned I'm lost anyway. Just because you don't like my music doesn't mean it's bad. And what about the metal genre of religious songs? Those aren't bad, now are they?

I just don't understand how people who claim to follow God, the person whose, "love is unconditional," can be so rude and mean to fellow human beings at times.

I'll end this one here. Now, like I said, I'm not against religion. I respect it, all I want is a little respect in return. Is that too much to ask for? I can grantee that if I told a religious person that their bodies will rot away in the Earth after they die because they preach about the Lord that they'd be highly offend. Well, if you tell me I'm going to burn in heck, guess what. I'll be offended, too.


I've come to the conclusion that we've lost all common sense.

Alright everyone, I've said enough and I'm tired of typing. I'm sure I've managed to offend numerous people with this thread (probably with the religious part more than anything), and I'm sorry, but I just couldn't take it any more. I had to say something.


If anyone would like to add a topic to discuss, feel free to do so, this isn't just about how I feel. And thank you for taking the time to read this huge post. It means a lot, because personally, I'd probably skip around.

Oh, and after reading this you'll probably think that I'm crazy. Well, you're probably right, but I never claimed to be sane now did I?

Well, there you have it, I've left my mark here. this will most probably be my best post ever, sorry if that's disappointing.


Thank you for reading,
toxictaipan
Last edited by toxictaipan at Mar 16, 2009,
#7
Agghhhh

I'm not reading all that. It seems like things everyone on UG already agrees with anyway. And most of it could be summed up in a sentence.
I'LL PUNCH A DONKEY IN THE STREETS OF GALWAY
Last edited by whalepudding at Mar 16, 2009,
#9
Quote by toxictaipan
A Little Thing Called Common Sense


Introduction:


Hello, everyone. My name is toxictaipan here on UG, and after reading various topics (here and in other places) and having experiences in real life, I have decided to make a topic to discuss common sense. I don't plan on making this very short, because I have many points and topics to cover. I've also aimed this at a more mature audience, but I don't mean mature by age. I mean mature by attitude, I don't expect an 11 year old to care for this topic, but all ages are free to read and share their thoughts if they wish (it's not like I can stop you, I'm just letting you know you're welcome to speak you mind here without negative thought toward your age to the maturity of this topic. Example: "Oh, you're way too young to know anything about that."). For the record, I'm only 14, and I know how immature some of my peers can be, so I feel this is a very mature topic coming from someone my age. Maybe I wont word it as mature as I'd like, but oh well. Here goes nothin'.

So if you don't like reading or deep discussions, this is your stop.

Please note that this topic to to discuss opinions and views from our whole community, so no flame war stuff AT ALL. Your view is just as welcome as anyone else's, you are not to come here to put down other's thoughts just because you disagree.

If the mods find this too deep or don't like the idea of this, please close or delete this thread, I just thought this would be a very interesting topic, but I don't think it's breaking any rules.


Let's Begin the Discussion

Okay, let's get to it. As stated above, I plan to cover multiple topics here, and I'm writing this in text editing software because I want this to be really clear and understandable with good points made, not rushed and incomplete.

I really want everyone to read the whole thing if you're going to be a part of this discussion, but feel free to skip around as you wish. Are you ready? Don't worry, I'm not either.


The Way We Treat Other People

Okay, I wanted to start this off with a simple and easy to understand topic that wouldn't scare anyone away right from the get-go. So let's talk about something we've all experienced: Jerks.

One day at a small tournament, a Pre-Releases I believe (I play the Pokemon TCG, make fun of me if you will, I don't care. I was just going to let you know you might not get some of this due to the fact you probably don't play Pokemon.), we all went to go see the next round pairings. Being held in a small hobby shop, it's kinda crammed getting to and from the Standings sheet when all three divisions are trying to fit between two rows of tables, so we all inch our way up. I find my name on the list and find my table number. I see my oppenent is the "crowd" and call him over. As soon as he gets to me, we're still trying to inch ourselves away. With people in front of me, I can only move so fast. So, he gets behind me and tells me to, "Move faster," and then shoves me. I lose some of my balance and hit the person in front of me, a Junior mind you (and him). So I quickly apologize and get to my table. I expressed my feeling toward what had happened to the person who shoved me before we began our match. I just don't understand how someone could be like that. We're all trying to get out, we're all moving slow, and he has to go shoving people? I just don't get it, what's the point? What does he gain from shoving me into other people? Creative name calling before a match? Oh wow, real mature.


I'll end this topic now, you get the point that I'm trying to make. Don't you? Why do people act so rude and mean to everyone, even people who have done nothing to them? What do they gain from this? It's just so wrong the way we treat each other.


The Way Parents Raise Their Kids

So, now that we've discussed the way people act so rude. Let's get to the problem: The way they're raised.


As a parent, having your only job in life being to raise your child correctly. Nothing else matters in your world until you're 100% sure your child was raise up right. So how could you make a mistake in this? No, wait, I take that back. Everyone makes mistakes, but why must you make so many? Did you not learn from the first? Second? Fourth? Tenth? What excuse do you have to raise someone like the people stated above? How could you let yourself be a failure? I just couldn't imagine not raises my kids right. You are the authority in their lives, they do as you say. You tell them what's right, and what's wrong. When they break the rules, or do something against your wishes, you punish them (Like grounding, I don't mean beating kids up). What else could be easier? It's not rocket science.

It's time to end this one, too. My point here is simply just trying to say that no matter what you do, parenting isn't something you can do just half-way. You have to stick with it for at least 18 years, if not more. Don't take on the challenge if you can't handle to pressure. Are we going to have to start passing out tests to see if people are suitable for parenting? Get real, people.


TV and Video Game Ratings and Censorship

Ratings are a good thing. They help us decide what to let our children watch based on the content inside. This is definitely a plus, but why are they so strict? I understand why they include sexual and violence ratings, but why do we need one for language? Better yet, why do we have "language" at all? (I'll explain in the next section) And I really don't understand the violence category, either. I know I just said I did understand it, but let me explain.

There are parents who don't want their children to get the wrong idea from watching TV and playing games. I can respect that, but between you and me, I've been playing video games since I was about, ummmm, like, born. I remember playing mortal kombat when I was 4. That's kinda young to be playing video games, much less M rated ones. But take a look at me, even though I've been playing violent video games since I was 4 I still don't walk around beating people up, I've never had the urge to shoot someone, I've never tried to rip someone's head off, I've never hijacked a car. I haven't even ever been in a fight. Do you know why? You guessed it, and it's what this is all about. I was raised with COMMON SENSE. If parents raised their kids with some common sense like mine did me, we wouldn't have kids taking guns to school, or kids steeling cars. Or at least, not as many. There's always going to be a mental case out there...

I can understand one for heavily violent scenes involving lots of blood and gore, guns and stuff, but having a show rated "TV-Y7-Mild Fantasy Violence" What's up with that?

"NO MOMMY I DON"T WANNA SEE THE FARIES HIT EACH OTHER!!!!!"

I know kids who eat the crap up like breakfast cereal. And we have a Rating for it. AHAHAHAH!!


Language

They're just words after all. I mean, if someone were to say, "Holy Crap!" What's the difference if they say, "Holy ****"? It's the same exact message, but yet everyone views the second phrase much more offensive. Is it just me, or have we lost our minds? It's just a word, a made up word. What's the problem? We view any of the list of seven, and a few more not on that list very inappropriate, and sure, some of them are. But what about the one above? "Crap/poop/dung/turd/etc" over ****? I just don't get it, they're the same to me. Let me put it this way: If you were to put a picture next to both words in the dictionary, you'd use the same picture. Simple enough, right?

So why does everyone view them as "bad words"? We image what things look like as we speak and hear, our brains are an amazing thing. So when you say, "Crap" or when you say the other word, you instantly think of the same thing. What makes the other one so much worse?


And it's time for an end to this one, too. My point should be crystal clear. They're just words that mean the same thing, but yet one is worse than the other. No, I don't get it either.


tl;dr
#11
common sense on UG : wall of text=wont be read.
Sell and Promote your music TuneHub!



wy is yer mad at muy gramhar fer?


Quote by jimmyled
jimmybanks youre a genius.


aparently i ar smrt?
Quote by dyingLeper
jimmybanks youre a genius


GO SENS GO
#13
Okay, I made it to parenting, and, well thats just.. You don't know what kind of houses every comes from, you don't know who their parents are or how they raised their kids. So you can't go making asumptions that people are jerks because their parents are failures. Maybe their father is a drunkard who beats them, no one has control over that. Maybe this man is a drunk because his wife died. Well now, can you blame any of them? Maybe these kids are going through some stuff and dont' know how to handle it properly so they take it out on others. Maybe the parents really do try, and the kids just don't understand. FRIG it angers me when people make assumptions about the effects of parenting on the children. Yes, it has a huge, somewhat predictable effect most the time, but you don't know how everyone was raised, you can't go around saying its because of bad parenting. I DARE you to tell a parent with a troubled child its because of their parenting, or I dare you to ask a troubled child about problems at home.
Who the fck are you to say if you can't handle it, don't do it. maybe they were raped? Maybe they could handle it, and their spouse died, maybe they did really want a child, and can't handle it like they thought they would be able to. Have YOU raised a kid yet? Do YOU know how hard it can be? I know I don't.
call me Shelby

Last edited by ShelbyLynn at Mar 16, 2009,
#16
Well, you pretty much covered everything.

There is nothing much to discuss, cept for I agree. You make many valid points, all of them I agree with.

And what the **** is up with all these new animated movies?

EDIT: And if you're going to post TLDR, just don't post. It would take maybe 5 minutes to read, and honestly what the hell else are you going to be doing, your ass is still going to be in that chair in 5 minutes, probably another hour, so what the ****?
Quote by 20cdndollars
You are god, floppypick



Floppydick


If that's how you read my name, leave a message saying so on my profile
Last edited by floppypick at Mar 16, 2009,
#17
I read the first few points. It's all psychology. Of course shoving someone in a crowded room won't really get you anywhere faster (same with aggressive driving for the most part) but it makes you feel like you're taking an active role in trying to get where you need to be. Helps you feel better in the short term.

As for parenting, I understand that people often treat their children how they were treated as kids. So if someone grows up in an abusive household they are more likely to physically or mentally abuse their children. They don't know any other way, they picked it up through observational learning.
#18
Quote by toxictaipan
A Little Thing Called Common Sense


Introduction:


Hello, everyone. My name is toxictaipan here on UG, and after reading various topics (here and in other places) and having experiences in real life, I have decided to make a topic to discuss common sense. I don't plan on making this very short, because I have many points and topics to cover. I've also aimed this at a more mature audience, but I don't mean mature by age. I mean mature by attitude, I don't expect an 11 year old to care for this topic,
Way to rule out the majority of The Pit.
Quote by Teh Forest King
A kid took a fetal pig during pig dissection, put a napkin on it as a cape, wrote "super pig" on it, then threw it out the window onto the greenhouse below, yelling "super pig, blast off!". He failed the pig lab
#19
Quote by ShelbyLynn
Okay, I made it to parenting, and, well thats just.. You don't know what kind of houses every comes from, you don't know who their parents are or how they raised their kids. So you can't go making asumptions that people are jerks because their parents are failures. Maybe their father is a drunkard who beats them, no one has control over that. Maybe this man is a drunk because his wife died. Well now, can you blame any of them? Maybe these kids are going through some stuff and dont' know how to handle it properly so they take it out on others. Maybe the parents really do try, and the kids just don't understand. FRIG it angers me when people make assumptions about the effects of parenting on the children. Yes, it has a huge, somewhat predictable effect most the time, but you don't know how everyone was raised, you can't go around saying its because of bad parenting. I DARE you to tell a parent with a troubled child its because of their parenting, or I dare you to ask a troubled child about problems at home.
Who the fck are you to say if you can't handle it, don't do it. maybe they were raped? Maybe they could handle it, and their spouse died, maybe they did really want a child, and can't handle it like they thought they would be able to. Have YOU raised a kid yet? Do YOU know how hard it can be? I know I don't.

That's not the point. Sure there are things like that out there, but for God's sake, there are also bad parents. If you tell me there aren't any and I'll lol in your face.
#23
Quote by toxictaipan

Religion

Okay, I want to talk about religion now. I'm going to tell you a little story that happened to me and my mom in the grocery store one day. Well, like any day you go to the grocery store, we were buying food. My mom was wearing some shirt that had something to do with the band Black Sabbath. I think it was a shirt that said something about some rock tour or whatever, but that doesn't matter.

For those of you who don't know (which coming from here, you should), they are a metal band. One of the first and most influential actually... But anyway, this person walked up to us as started basically preaching to us about how if we listen to that music we won't get into Heaven and all that nonsense. And obviously liking Pokemon, you know I've heard I'll go to heck for it, too. So, basically I can't do anything I want to without going to heck, how lucky am I?

Now I'm not trying to attack religious people here, I can respect your beliefs, but I expect you to respect mine in return. I understand that in the Bible it tells you to spread the name of the Lord, but there is a limit on this. You can't just force someone to do something they don't want to, you just can't. They can ask me anything they want, invite me to their church, or anything else because I respect their beliefs and I'm not a rude person, but when you tell me I'm not going to Heaven because I listen to a noise (because that's all music is: a sound) you've crossed the line. I ask of you to find me one verse in the Bible that says I'll go to heck for listening to rock music. Find one, just one. When you find that, you've won the argument, but until then don't threaten me on assumptions. God didn't give you that right.

So my question is: where do they get off? What gives them the right to threaten someone like that? What makes them better than me? If they truly believe I'll go to heck for listening to rock music, then why don't they care? I want to listen to it and I'm going to listen to it, I've made my choice. Let's say I will go to heck for it, let me go. I obviously knew the risk, and as far as your concerned I'm lost anyway. Just because you don't like my music doesn't mean it's bad. And what about the metal genre of religious songs? Those aren't bad, now are they?

I just don't understand how people who claim to follow God, the person whose, "love is unconditional," can be so rude and mean to fellow human beings at times.

I'll end this one here. Now, like I said, I'm not against religion. I respect it, all I want is a little respect in return. Is that too much to ask for? I can grantee that if I told a religious person that their bodies will rot away in the Earth after they die because they preach about the Lord that they'd be highly offend. Well, if you tell me I'm going to burn in heck, guess what. I'll be offended, too.


agreed, 100% and not only for religious folk, for atheists as well. there's way too much disrespect as far as personal beliefs go, no one has the right to force their own beliefs upon another human being if that human being is unwilling to cooperate. this goes for atheists as well as theists, keep your mouth's shut when it comes to your own beliefs unless you're asked, and even then...for the love of god...be a decent human being and have other people in consideration when making your comments

that is called the human condition. certain people will always consider themselves superior to others because they believe whatever they do is right, and whatever others do is wrong. it's just how human beings are. even in our daily lives, you can look down on others without regards to what you're doing. it can be by accident or by choice who knows... before i start rambling, the point is theists as well as atheists can be just as rude and impolite...trying to persuade you to see things their way. it's just how people are

you've got a right mind kid, kudos to you
Quote by Scutchington
I like this guy, he's UG's Greek, and he just told your ass in two paragraphs. And I once spent 5 minutes watching his avatar.


A Brain Malfunction

We'll Never Admit As Defeat
#24
...
Congrats? I think it's great that you can write a decent, coherent essay on your beliefs but... Why?...
Quote by metabolicmaggot
Win. +1 cookie for hide the beer.

#26
Quote by -tempest-
wow this is amazing. please show this kid respect, for his age I this he hit the nail on the head.


because most of the pedophiles tell their real age?
#27
a read a couple of them, the ones i was interested in and all i thought was 'where does this guy get off criticizing our world and ideologies?' but then i read more and thought 'k, he actually makes sense and now the whole world seems stupid'

being serious, i agree with a lot of what you said. some thigns when you look at them don't make too much sense. somewhere along the lines society/humans decided what was right and wrong without really much to back it up

congrats toxic, you've added a sense of meaning to pit discussion. this thread should be interesting
#28
I just want you guys to know that the 11 year olds from the Pokemon website had a more mature reaction than you guys.

I hope you feel good.
#29
Quote by hide_the_beer
...
Congrats? I think it's great that you can write a decent, coherent essay on your beliefs but... Why?...


Agreed. This stuff has already been debated to death.
#31
nice job, its awsome to know that theres a few inteligent kids left out there.
There is a war going on for your mind.

If you are thinking, you are winning.


Resistance is victory.


We are building up a new world.
Do not sit idly by.
#32
Quote by toxictaipan
I just want you guys to know that the 11 year olds from the Pokemon website had a more mature reaction than you guys.

I hope you feel good.


I think most people have posted fairly mature comments.

Also, Proof ?
Quote by 20cdndollars
You are god, floppypick



Floppydick


If that's how you read my name, leave a message saying so on my profile
#33
Quote by toxictaipan
That's not the point. Sure there are things like that out there, but for God's sake, there are also bad parents. If you tell me there aren't any and I'll lol in your face.


Oh noes, don't lol in my face

But yes, there ARE bad parents, that was not my point. My point was that you pretty muched sumed up that bad kids are that way because of bad parents not teaching their children commen sense and such. MY point is, thats not always the case, you have to take other variables that you can't change, that no one can have any effect on into consideration.
Thats not what bothers me most though, what bothers me is "If you can't handle the pressure, don't take the challenge" Of COURSE its a challenge to raise kids, the major point I had, what if you planned children with your husband/wife, and they up and die? No one knows exactly how hard it will be to raise children before they experience it, and no two children are exactly alike, hell, it could be their genetics to be a brat. How the parent reacts to the child isn't half of it, its how the child reacts to the parent. You can tell a kid no a million times and they'll still make the same mistake, it depends on who they are.
call me Shelby

#34
Quote by ShelbyLynn
Okay, I made it to parenting, and, well thats just.. You don't know what kind of houses every comes from, you don't know who their parents are or how they raised their kids. So you can't go making asumptions that people are jerks because their parents are failures. Maybe their father is a drunkard who beats them, no one has control over that. Maybe this man is a drunk because his wife died. Well now, can you blame any of them? Maybe these kids are going through some stuff and dont' know how to handle it properly so they take it out on others. Maybe the parents really do try, and the kids just don't understand. FRIG it angers me when people make assumptions about the effects of parenting on the children. Yes, it has a huge, somewhat predictable effect most the time, but you don't know how everyone was raised, you can't go around saying its because of bad parenting. I DARE you to tell a parent with a troubled child its because of their parenting, or I dare you to ask a troubled child about problems at home.
Who the fck are you to say if you can't handle it, don't do it. maybe they were raped? Maybe they could handle it, and their spouse died, maybe they did really want a child, and can't handle it like they thought they would be able to. Have YOU raised a kid yet? Do YOU know how hard it can be? I know I don't.

+1
Although I see where youre coming from, you cant just assume every kid has a good homelife.
Quote by Yakult
If I get a boner I generally pass out due to the massive amount of blood having to be redirected from my brain


Quote by DubStar92
I like to video record myself when I'm drunk. It's like a mini-movie. I love fapping to the sex scene.
#35
finally someone besides me with common sense. its funny all the **** you mentioned is what I always think about when I get into sociological discussions with friends. great thread!

+1000
#36
Intresting, i actually read all of it too.


Made by 'The Sloganizer' ----> «The Pit - be prepared.»

Quote by imdeth


"Billy eat your broccolli!"

"Screw you mom!" *raises arms*

PHEAR MA TURRETS!!
#37
Quote by ShelbyLynn
Okay, I made it to parenting, and, well thats just.. You don't know what kind of houses every comes from, you don't know who their parents are or how they raised their kids. So you can't go making asumptions that people are jerks because their parents are failures. Maybe their father is a drunkard who beats them, no one has control over that. Maybe this man is a drunk because his wife died. Well now, can you blame any of them? Maybe these kids are going through some stuff and dont' know how to handle it properly so they take it out on others. Maybe the parents really do try, and the kids just don't understand. FRIG it angers me when people make assumptions about the effects of parenting on the children. Yes, it has a huge, somewhat predictable effect most the time, but you don't know how everyone was raised, you can't go around saying its because of bad parenting. I DARE you to tell a parent with a troubled child its because of their parenting, or I dare you to ask a troubled child about problems at home.
Who the fck are you to say if you can't handle it, don't do it. maybe they were raped? Maybe they could handle it, and their spouse died, maybe they did really want a child, and can't handle it like they thought they would be able to. Have YOU raised a kid yet? Do YOU know how hard it can be? I know I don't.


He's not saying that every troubled kid's problems come from their parents. hes just saying that parents should try NOT to beat their kids and all that stuff. Just cuz you cant handle parenting doesnt give you the right to beat and neglect your kid(s).

You're right on the mark man.
Last edited by ironmaiden_98 at Mar 16, 2009,
#38
Quote by ShelbyLynn
Oh noes, don't lol in my face

But yes, there ARE bad parents, that was not my point. My point was that you pretty muched sumed up that bad kids are that way because of bad parents not teaching their children commen sense and such. MY point is, thats not always the case, you have to take other variables that you can't change, that no one can have any effect on into consideration.
Thats not what bothers me most though, what bothers me is "If you can't handle the pressure, don't take the challenge" Of COURSE its a challenge to raise kids, the major point I had, what if you planned children with your husband/wife, and they up and die? No one knows exactly how hard it will be to raise children before they experience it, and no two children are exactly alike, hell, it could be their genetics to be a brat. How the parent reacts to the child isn't half of it, its how the child reacts to the parent. You can tell a kid no a million times and they'll still make the same mistake, it depends on who they are.

+1 again.
Also, not every couple plans to have kids either. Sometimes it just happens and they have to make the best of it.
Quote by Yakult
If I get a boner I generally pass out due to the massive amount of blood having to be redirected from my brain


Quote by DubStar92
I like to video record myself when I'm drunk. It's like a mini-movie. I love fapping to the sex scene.
#39
To the TS.

The human is evil.

The human is a cancer to this earth in which we inhabit.

Sociological experiences only make you an misanthrope.

Hitler had the right idea.

Trust me, I'm the sunscreen.
#40
Quote by toxictaipan
I just want you guys to know that the 11 year olds from the Pokemon website had a more mature reaction than you guys.

I hope you feel good.


That's because they aren't 11.

They're 40-50, and lurkin' for upset boys who feel they are too mature for their age group, and need to seek older friends.

My friend, you have been played into a trap.

Didn't you see that one South Park episode where...
Page 1 of 3