#1
Hey GG&A,

I recently aquired an '82 Marshall 4010 combo and I'm really digging it. Right now, I have it hooked up to a cabinet and while it sounds uber awesome, I would like for it to sound a little more 'alive' for lack of a better word. I would like the amp to sound a little more open, defined and lively. It sounds like it's muffled under a blanket.

Could it be the cabinet? It's a Marshall 1965a cabinet with Celestions.

The amp has no effects loop so something like a BBE Sonic Maximizer probably wouldn't work.
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#2
Is it a new cabinet? You might have to break in the speakers.

Also, try adding some treble/presence. Not sure it has a presence dial though...
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Is it a new cabinet? You might have to break in the speakers.

Also, try adding some treble/presence. Not sure it has a presence dial though...


It's an old cabinet.


The amp is EQ'd fine. Any more presence/treble and the amp will start sounding tinny and harsh.
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It's an old cabinet.


The amp is EQ'd fine. Any more presence/treble and the amp will start sounding tinny and harsh.


How old are the tubes? Maybe those need replacing.

*edit*

Old amps love to get cranked too...might just be that it needs to be turned up more to open up.
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#5
Might be better with a different cabinet or speakers, might also be better with a different set of tubes.
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Might be better with a different cabinet or speakers, might also be better with a different set of tubes.


I was thinking of maybe trying out some new speakers/cabinet. Would you recommened any? Tubewise, I believe the amp has some JJs that aren't too old, mind you I've been playing the amp pretty loud.

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How old are the tubes? Maybe those need replacing.


They are about 4 months old.
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I was thinking of maybe trying out some new speakers/cabinet. Would you recommened any?

What I would do if you think it's the cab/speakers, is to go to a guitar store, bring the amp, and ask to try it with a few different cabs.

Also, on the subject of tubes, it might also be that the tube bias is not set right.
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What I would do if you think it's the cab/speakers, is to go to a guitar store, bring the amp, and ask to try it with a few different cabs.

Also, on the subject of tubes, it might also be that the tube bias is not set right.


The amp has been biased and cleared by a tech so there are no internal issues with the amp.


Don't get me wrong, the amp sounds good as is, but it's like a rough draft of my ideal tone right now. I would just like to refine it and make it some A+ material as apposed to a pass.
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Do you use an EQ pedal?
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Do you use an EQ pedal?


I don't, but I have a 7 band around that I could potentially use.
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I don't, but I have a 7 band around that I could potentially use.

That may help. Also, do you know what speakers are in the cab at the moment?
#12
a sonic maximizer can run in front of the amp with great success too.
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#13
USE IT NAO.

what's the model of your amp? curiosity ha. an older marshall would make me have a heart attack if i played through one. one day though...

i know what you mean by 'rough draft' of your ideal tone, i finally got to that point when i switched my rm50 to EL34s and rebiased it and changed out my OD module...put the fulltone fulldrive on top of it a couple days ago and i'm just a few pedals away from my own sound. though MY sound isn't much different than your classic 80s hard rock sound...but i don't give a f*ck...

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i would think that a marshall cab with vintage 30s would do that amp the best justice...are you running an OD into it as well? if so, what kind?
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USE IT NAO.

what's the model of your amp? curiosity ha. an older marshall would make me have a heart attack if i played through one. one day though...

i know what you mean by 'rough draft' of your ideal tone, i finally got to that point when i switched my rm50 to EL34s and rebiased it and changed out my OD module...put the fulltone fulldrive on top of it a couple days ago and i'm just a few pedals away from my own sound. though MY sound isn't much different than your classic 80s hard rock sound...but i don't give a f*ck...

/thread hijack

i would think that a marshall cab with vintage 30s would do that amp the best justice...are you running an OD into it as well? if so, what kind?


It's a vertical input JCM 800.

I don't use a pedal except an MXR ZW44 as a solo boost, the cabinet is loaded with Celestion G10M speakers.

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a sonic maximizer can run in front of the amp with great success too.


That's good to know! I might have to check them out

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That may help. Also, do you know what speakers are in the cab at the moment?
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maybe some vintage 30 celestions would make a good difference for you. i hear that speakers have a big impact on your tone, so it's worth a shot. i, myself, still need to swap my Celestion GT12 for a V30...
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#16
Boost it and leave it boosted.

I.E. use the EQ as a boost, and the OD as a solo boost.

Boosting works wonders.
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imgooley!! who let you out of your cage?! GET BACK IN THE BASEMENT!!! *shakes fist violently*

anyway....

i kinda agree with imgooley, MY standard tone is usually a mid gained jcm style crunch with my fulltone on top of that, giving me a nice thick sound perfect for rhythm and/or leads...nothing wrong with having a pedal on all/most the time if it helps your tone. but if that's the case like it is with me, definitely pick up a daisy chain or something (if you haven't already lol)
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imgooley!! who let you out of your cage?! GET BACK IN THE BASEMENT!!! *shakes fist violently*

Is this backwards day? No one told me.

If it is, then don't boost it...

#19
This might sound kind of stupid, but has always worked wonders for me.

If the amp is sitting on the floor, its going to sound a little more muffled because the cabs bass response resonates off the floor, causing more boomyness and in effect, more muddiness. Not only that, but the sound isnt going to be aimed at the part of your body that hears it, so again, itll sound alittle muffled.

My number one reccomendation if you havent already tried it is to elevate the cab up, by either putting it on a chair or buying an amp stand. It will tighten up the bass response and you will be able to hear it better. Overall it should sound better, clearer, and crisper.
#20
lol goolz...i'm in a weird mood today...

sounds cheesy and cliche' but i've re-fallen in love...never thought it'd happen to me again...and i've been in a great mood recently.

i'm in love with my gear.
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sounds cheesy and cliche' but i've re-fallen in love...never thought it'd happen to me again...and i've been in a great mood recently.

i'm in love with my gear.

dude, it happens. i only have my palo in my dorm room, and while it's a good amp, it doesn't have the tone or sonic presence that my vtm has. i fall in love with that amp every time i go home. it's a great feeling.
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#22
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Boost it and leave it boosted.

I.E. use the EQ as a boost, and the OD as a solo boost.

Boosting works wonders.



I'll try this. I'm going to use the EQ as a solo boost though.
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#23
I'd say turn it up. The "ubertoanz" spot is a lot higher up the volume scale on older Marshall style amps.
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#24
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I'd say turn it up. The "ubertoanz" spot is a lot higher up the volume scale on older Marshall style amps.


I have it at 6, I think that's plenty loud.
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But have you tried turning it up louder just to see? There are ways of getting loud amp tone without it actually being loud as I'm sure you know. Attenuation, Amp Slaving, Reamping etc.
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#26
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But have you tried turning it up louder just to see? There are ways of getting loud amp tone without it actually being loud as I'm sure you know. Attenuation, Amp Slaving, Reamping etc.


I've had it up full blast before. The amp sounds better at 6-7
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#28
I'm gonna say try a different cab. Speakers make a world of difference.
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I'll try this. I'm going to use the EQ as a solo boost though.

Either way

You run it through a closed back cab yet?
#30
is the 1965 a 4x10? If so, that's why. Marshalls are kind of iffy with 4x10s in my opinion. A JCM 800 and a (preferably matching series) 4x12 are tonal bliss. Perfect distribution of sound. Try to get an old JCM 800 4x12.
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is the 1965 a 4x10? If so, that's why. Marshalls are kind of iffy with 4x10s in my opinion. A JCM 800 and a (preferably matching series) 4x12 are tonal bliss. Perfect distribution of sound. Try to get an old JCM 800 4x12.


It's a 4x10. I think it sounds great, just not really what I'm looking for. I've plugged a plethora of Marshalls into it and they all sounded fantastic. (Marshall 3203, 1987x, 1959,2203,2500, 2266 if you reaaaally want to know )


I want something with less power handling than the 800 cabinets. I think they are rated at 300 watts?


My amp is only 50 watts and I want a little speaker breakup so something 100 watts or lower would be ideal. Like a 1960AX cabinet or something similar.

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Either way

You run it through a closed back cab yet?


My 1965 cabinet is closed back.
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probably the cab, I have that same cab, and I'm getting the exact same effect
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What happened to the stiletto?

Maybe run 2x12 with the 4x10?
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What happened to the stiletto?

Maybe run 2x12 with the 4x10?


She be gone.

I think I might just invest in a 4x12.

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probably the cab, I have that same cab, and I'm getting the exact same effect



Really? That's unfortunate. The cab is so light it's almost a shame I'll have to get rid of it
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