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#1
So I've just upgraded my amp from a cruddy 2w pocket to a Roland Cube. Now I'm looking to get a new guitar. I've currently got a Silvertone Revolver, modified with one humbucker. I'm looking in to saving for a Epiphone LP, but with the amount of models, I'm not sure which to choose.
The guitars are:
Les Paul Standard Plus Top: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Standard-Plus-Top-Electric-Guitar-518341-i1149990.gc

Les Paul Black Beauty: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Black-Beauty-3-Electric-Guitar-100144290-i1149989.gc

Standard Plain Top: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Standard-Plain-Top-Electric-Guitar-103812863-i1149387.gc

Ultra II: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Ultra-II-Electric-Guitar-515624-i1383596.gc

Custom: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Custom-Electric-Guitar-100176337-i1149998.gc


So, which gives the best deal for the price? I'd like not to save for too long. I play classic rock, blues, rock, some metal, etc.
#2
Well.....rondomusic.com has LP's that are better than any Epi. Look at the Al-3000.
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#3
Quote by John5rules125
Well.....rondomusic.com has LP's that are better than any Epi. Look at the Al-3000.


+1
#4
Quote by John5rules125
Well.....rondomusic.com has LP's that are better than any Epi. Look at the Al-3000.

I'm not looking for an Agile.
#6
Well....you should, because they're better. Theres no question. Why do you really need an epi?
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#8
And for the price they're such a better deal
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#9
i will tell you first hand that the agile plays better than those epiphones you listed...mine plays better than our current guitarists' gibson lp studio...plus they're less expensive.
#10
Quote by John5rules125
Well....you should, because they're better. Theres no question. Why do you really need an epi?


Some people enjoy Epiphones over Agiles, theres nothing wrong with that. Agiles are okay, they're not the second coming of Jesus like everyone makes them out to be on this site.

Anywho, I've only played the Les Paul Custom out of all of those, and from what I saw it was pretty good. A tad bit heavy though, but thats to be expected from a Les Paul I suppose.
#11
I've got a friend with an agile (This one I think: http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000csbslim.html)
I tried it out, and hated it. The LP standard I tried in GC I liked quite well. Unless the other Agile's are better than that one, or he just had a badly made guitar, I really don't want one.
#12
Quote by stephen_rettie
^cause its in some way connected to gibson probably.
seriously agiles look, play and sound better then those epis

If that were the reason, I'd save up and get the studio. I like the feel of an epi over a agile. Anything wrong with that?
#13
Well that one's a slim neck. Look for the reg. Al-3000
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#14
im in the same boat as u!!! im thinkin about goin for the ultra 2, it gets the best reviews and apparantly the nanomag is amazing
#15
Quote by John5rules125
Well that one's a slim neck. Look for the reg. Al-3000

That may have been the problem, not sure. It felt flimsy to me, I'm pretty sure that may have been the problem. Either way, anyone mind answering my question?
Edit: Another advantage to me is the fact that I can try out the Epi I'll be getting. I'm not a fan of ordering online.
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#16
Quote by Nthomp
I'm not looking for an Agile.

but u shouldn't go by the name on the headstock
if the agile is better, u should get it
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#17
Quote by Sakattack75
but u shouldn't go by the name on the headstock
if the agile is better, u should get it

Didn't I already tell you? I don't want the agile, I don't like the feel. Now will someone please answer my question?
#18
No need to get defensive. We're just trying to get you the best guitar for the money. If you want the Epiphone by all means...
#20
As far as the Epis go, bear these things in mind:
  • The Black Beauty is a pointless waste, the third pickup actually limits your tone options and it reduces sustain, plus the gold plated hardware is pretty cheap and rubs down to the silvered brass very quickly. Don't touch it, simply don't.
  • The Custom is just a Standard but with the previously mentioned cheap 'gold' hardware. It's not actually built any better or differently than a Standard.
  • The Standard Plain/Plus top difference is purely whether it has a solid plain maple cap or a plain maple cap with a flame maple veneer. Unless you really, really want a flame maple top, just buy the cheaper Plain top.
  • The Ultra-II doesn't sound like a Les Paul, nor does it particularly feel like one. It is basically a semi-hollowbody guitar, so as such it does sound like one. Also unless you know you're really going to get a lot of use out fo the active nanomag pickup, you'll have less tone options (since one of the regular tone controls is dedicated to the nanomag instead, leaving you with just one master tone control for both regular pickups). The extra electronics are apparently a bit of a bitch to deal with if you want to start changing pickups and pots for a better tone too, though I can't say I've ever tried changing it's electronics around myself so who knows. Either way, it's a fairly specialised tone and feel, if you simply want 'a good Les Paul', it won't suit you.



As such, the Standard would be the smartest choice if you want a solid reasonably priced Les Paul. Plus Top and Custom are solid too if you want the same kind of tone and feel but fancy something a little prettier to look at. The Black Beauty shouldn't be touched unless you have more money than sense or just want something nice to hang on a wall. The Ultra-II shouldn't be touched unless you're really sure you want it's different, unqiue tone.
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#21
Honestly i say go for the agile.

there much better than epis.

Maybe if Epi's were still made in Korea, but the new chinese ones are real crap.
#22
Quote by MrFlibble
As far as the Epis go, bear these things in mind:
  • The Black Beauty is a pointless waste, the third pickup actually limits your tone options and it reduces sustain, plus the gold plated hardware is pretty cheap and rubs down to the silvered brass very quickly. Don't touch it, simply don't.
  • The Custom is just a Standard but with the previously mentioned cheap 'gold' hardware. It's not actually built any better or differently than a Standard.
  • The Standard Plain/Plus top difference is purely whether it has a solid plain maple cap or a plain maple cap with a flame maple veneer. Unless you really, really want a flame maple top, just buy the cheaper Plain top.
  • The Ultra-II doesn't sound like a Les Paul, nor does it particularly feel like one. It is basically a semi-hollowbody guitar, so as such it does sound like one. Also unless you know you're really going to get a lot of use out fo the active nanomag pickup, you'll have less tone options (since one of the regular tone controls is dedicated to the nanomag instead, leaving you with just one master tone control for both regular pickups). The extra electronics are apparently a bit of a bitch to deal with if you want to start changing pickups and pots for a better tone too, though I can't say I've ever tried changing it's electronics around myself so who knows. Either way, it's a fairly specialised tone and feel, if you simply want 'a good Les Paul', it won't suit you.



As such, the Standard would be the smartest choice if you want a solid reasonably priced Les Paul. Plus Top and Custom are solid too if you want the same kind of tone and feel but fancy something a little prettier to look at. The Black Beauty shouldn't be touched unless you have more money than sense or just want something nice to hang on a wall. The Ultra-II shouldn't be touched unless you're really sure you want it's different, unqiue tone.

The answer I was look for. Thanks alot, I'll be going with the standard then. That helped, nice to know the difference was little.
#24
I dont like how UG praise Agile guitars to be AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!. Dont get me wrong they are Amazing for the price but really imo they are just amazing valued high-end epiphones nothing more. So if you if your not sure on what guitar your getting i recommend going to the store and playing all the epi les pauls you can get your hands on.
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#25
Quote by Felttoaster
I dont like how UG praise Agile guitars to be AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!. Dont get me wrong they are Amazing for the price but really imo they are just amazing valued high-end epiphones nothing more.
Exactly. But people love their gear so that LP copy they got that's the same quality as an Epi but £50 cheaper suddenly becomes HOT **** GUYS CHECK THIS OUT IT'S AS GOOD AS A 1956 ORIGINAL GIBSON I SWEAR TO GOD THIS IS THE BEST GUITAR YOU WILL EVER PLAY.

Good for the price? Sure. Better than equivalent guitars from other brands? No. Better than the high-end guitars they're copying? Certainly not.

I mean, I've played a lot of nice Vintage and Rally LP copies, but I wouldn't say any of them were better than a good Gibson or ESP LP. At best, they've been on-par with the good Epiphones, the difference being those copy brands cost a bit less. That's it. They are not a miraculasly better guitar. Owning one will not make you better than Slash. They can not rival guitars that are twice their price. Having one in your hands won't turn you from bedroom hero to world arena rocker overnight. They will not make you ejaculate chocolate milkshake. They get you adequate low/medium quality at a slightly cheaper price than Epiphone or ESP. That's it.



People on here need to learn that just because they own a piece of gear does not mean it was hand-crafted by God and bought to their house by a host of angels. It was just made in some factory in Asia and bought to your house by the UPS van.
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#28
Quote by stratacaster
Why not try a Classic? A standard with a better crunch imo.
They stopped making Classics almost three years ago, and any Classics that are around will be the old production which have a mahogany/alder/mahogany sandwich body. Which is in fact why they will have a little more bite or as you put it 'crunch', the brighter tone of the alder will lift their tone a bit.

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haha


Oh my god...


Full of pure, unadulterated win haha

I've been wanting to say it in every damn Agile vs Epi thread for months.
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#29
Mr Flibble is a pit bull! Don't mess with him on Gibsons and Gibson copies.
Moving on.....
#30
I think it's worth saying that Agile guitars, like most LP copies, are made in the very same factories as Epiphone guitars - as a result don't expect them to be of higher quality than your run-of-the-mill Epiphone.
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#31
Find someplace that you can try them all ,then decide. I'm lefty so choices are limited for use that play from the proper side (lol) but you right hand players have a ton of choices.
I'm in the group that's not into paying just for looks if the guitar have the same guts and just fancied up.
You here some bad mouthing of this brand or that ,but most of it is envy or plain b.s. Try them and decide for yourself.
#32
Quote by Raijouta
I think it's worth saying that Agile guitars, like most LP copies, are made in the very same factories as Epiphone guitars - as a result don't expect them to be of higher quality than your run-of-the-mill Epiphone.


Exactly. So why would you pay more money for an Epiphone? Unless you're like our current guitarist who likes to call his a Gibson.
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Quote by MrFlibble
Having one in your hands won't turn you from bedroom hero to world arena rocker overnight. They will not make you ejaculate chocolate milkshake. They get you adequate low/medium quality at a slightly cheaper price than Epiphone or ESP. That's it.



lol
#34
Quote by eyebanez333
Exactly. So why would you pay more money for an Epiphone? Unless you're like our current guitarist who likes to call his a Gibson.
There are actually a couple of 'legit' reasons to buy an Epiphone over other copies, even though the actual material and build quality is no different.
  • The body shape is the same as a 'real' Les Paul, which has time-proven balance and tone. On the other hand copy brands have to alter the body shape, which can mean more/less wood mass, different weight balance, etc.
  • Resale value of an Epiphone is far higher than any copy brand.
  • Epis are constructed to the same dimensions as Gibsons, so all the extra aftermarket parts you may want to fit will definitely go onto an Epiphone perfectly. On the other hand all copy brands can't do this, they are required to change the spacing of things like the stopbar from the tune-o-matic, or the control cavity routings. This means you might buy a spare part for one of those copy brands then find it doesn't fit. Even the radius of the carved top can be different and cause endless problems. Upgrades are simply easier with Epi guitars.
  • Warranties, manufacturer repairs, etc etc. It's simply easier dealing with a larger brand than a small one, and Epi vs copy brands is no exception. With a bigger brand like Epiphone it's easy to deal with returns, manufacturer repairs and so on. Good luck getting the copy brand to cover any repair work that needs to be done if it breaks six months down the road. If you're getting a store to do work on a guitar, some stores will also charge more for working on a copy brand guitar than on an actual Epi.
  • Store availability. You can easily go into almost any store and try a bunch of Epiphones before you settle on one to buy. With copy brands you often can only order them blindly online.
  • Epiphones often come stock with premium hardware. Nearly every Epi guitar uses 18:1 Grover tuners (a couple of other brands also use 18:1 tuners, but not all and those that do usually only put them on their better models - Epi put them on nearly everything except for a few models which have Kluson tuners instead, which actually cost more). Epi also use aluminium locking TonePros stopbars, pickups made to the same design as premium Gibson pickups, the Prophecy models use Original Floyd Rose bridges (and you simply will not find another guitar in the same price range that has an OFR), full sized pots (whereas most copies have to use mini-pots), etc etc etc. That's the buying power of a big brand; they can afford to buy in better parts in bulk to keep the cost down, they can get a working relationship going with other good brands that lets them cut the price further. Copy brands don't have that buying power so they simply can't afford to be putting Kluson tuners, Original Floyd Rose bridges and Seymour Duncan or Gibson pickups in their guitars.
  • Similar to the last point, because of their bigger corporate size and buying power, Gibson/Epiphone can afford to research new manufactured processes, parts and so on. Copy brands simply can't. That's why you see things like Epiphone coming out with the EpiActive pickups and putting nanomag pickups in fretboards while copy brands are left churning out the same basic model.
  • More Epis out there mean more opinions on them, letting you have a fairer idea on whether a particular model is worth getting or not. Let's say Agile come out with a new model of Les Paul or SG - you'll probably struggle to find more than two reviews of it, do you really want to blindly order a guitar based on something like that? On the other hand when a new Epi comes out there's reviews in every magazine and website - you can build up a much better picture of whether or not it will be suitable for you. On top of that is the aforementioned issue of being able to try Epis out very easily before you buy compared to copy brands who you may not be able to try out first at all. The end results is copy brands are a much bigger gamble.
  • Lastly and to me most importantly, history. Epiphone were/are the best brand in the world for archtop guitars. They were out-selling Gibson before Gibson bought them out, and even then Gibson only managed to buy them out because of a series of worker's strikes and some dodgy management decisions - it had nothing to do with Epi's sales figures at all. Epiphones have been used by a lo of big groups and artists in all genres of music, from modern chart topping emos to 90's country stars to 60's pop music to 50's jazz and blues. Les Paul's own guitar was made using Epiphone parts. They're not just some brand name Gibson invented as a tax dodge - Epiphone has a lot of history in it's own right and in many ways it is just as prestigious as the likes of Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, Ovation and so on. Can you really say Agile, Vintage, Rally or Tokai can match that?


There are lots of good reasons to buy an Epi over a copy brand. Not least of all because you may very well just simply prefer the Epi neck to other brands. It's completely stupid to write off any brand completely. If one brand works best for you, great. If another person finds they prefer another brand, let them.



And this is from someone who has both an Epiphone and a copy brand LP.
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#35
Quote by MrFlibble
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You bring up some valid points, I would argue most of them but honestly I could care less what guitar this kid buys...its his money. I'm personally sold on Agile. Anyway here are a few points I'd like to mention: First, I don't think the shape of the guitar is going to make a big enough difference that would sway you one way or the other...as the differences are going to be microscopic. The only difference I have noticed between my Agile and our guitarists Epiphone LP Custom, is that mine is the same weight, if not a little lighter...and mine is a baritone. Second, Rondo Music has great customer service and being a smaller company, Kurt is going to be able to deal with you on a more personal level when it comes to your problem. Agile is still a growing company and based on the new models I think they are only going to get bigger. As with anything, its a matter of opinion really. I've played Epiphone LPs in the past and they are great guitars. I bought my Agile expecting to get a $300 guitar, but they play like guitars that cost much more.
#36
well woudnt a current production Agile be better than a current production epiphone?

The new epis are made in china while some of the Agiles are made in Korea.

i tried one of the new Chinese epiphones and tought they were real crap compared to the older korean models.
#38
not that im saying chinese products are crap its just that there new electrics coming out of china are crap compared to the koreans they were popping out a few years back.

I say this because i owned a Epiphone Masterbilt and it was chinese and it was a damn fine guitar.
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Quote by stratacaster
Why have Epiphone stopped making LP Classics? One of the best buys i ever made.
Poor sales figures probably or it otherwise stopped being profitable. Quilt maple is expensive (even if it's just used as a veneer - veneers on carved tops still require a big hunk o' wood), and I'm willing to bet the Classic probably didn't sell any better than the Standard Plain/Plus top or Customs, which all would be cheaper for Epi to make. If it was selling worse (or even if it was only selling as well as those other models), the increased production cost wouldn't make it a worthwhile product for them to keep making.

At least, that's what I would assume. Of course I don't know for sure, it's simply the most logical answer.
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