#1
topic pretty much says it but for example: if my band wrote a song, could the radio play it without our knowing?
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#2
no they don't in most cases, it's pretty much understood that they can get away with it since it is providing free promotion.
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they'd need consent cuz u own the rights, but you should be thankful for free promotion
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I'm pretty sure the artists are the ones who distribute their work to radio stations for them to play, and the radio stations decide if they want to play it or not.


The label, not the artists, but indie radio stations will play whatever, including stuff that the DJs like form their own collections.
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For unsigned bands you send your work to them. For signed bands your record company does it. Occasionally a DJ will hear your work (signed or unsigned) and get in touch with you or your label and ask for permission.
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oh, this isn't about my band at all.. i was just using an example.. i'm writing a song against the performance rights act (HR 848) [the one that Billy Corgan supports saying that radios should have to pay the artist for using their songs] and wanted to make sure i had my facts straight before i start singing this song to and audience.
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#8
Yeah, that act is really retarded. The radio station is already paying the artist in a sense by playing their songs.
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#9
Billy Corgan is a tit.
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The label, not the artists, but indie radio stations will play whatever, including stuff that the DJs like form their own collections.


Exactly. You don't need anything official or anything of the like. I can play whatever I want. I can go to a bands myspace and stream it for example..... And in general artists do get paid when their song is played on the radio...it's only virtually pennies per play I think. But still. They get paid, and I imagine since the smashing pumpkins get played on every single active rock station in North America he gets a check worth a few grand every month because of it. However it works. So hes a bit of a dick

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Exactly. You don't need anything official or anything of the like. I can play whatever I want. I can go to a bands myspace and stream it for example..... And in general artists do get paid when their song is played on the radio...it's only virtually pennies per play I think. But still. They get paid, and I imagine since the smashing pumpkins get played on every single active rock station in North America he gets a check worth a few grand every month because of it. However it works. So hes a bit of a dick



Yeah I forgot, they do get ASCAP fees, but I imagine they probably want commercial use fees, which are considerably higher.
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think once you have your song registered with one of the royalty collecting companies, anybody (not just radio stations) is allowed to play the song. The royalty collectors are mandated by the songwriter or record company to bill the users and pay you a portion of that.

I think other bands are even allowed to perform your song live, but they have to pay you royalties too. However if somebody wants to cover your song and record it, then they need the songwriter's permission.

Of course this depends of the country you live in. I'm sure chinese readers (at least the few who ever get on the free net) laugh at this right now.

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oh, this isn't about my band at all.. i was just using an example.. i'm writing a song against the performance rights act (HR 848) [the one that Billy Corgan supports saying that radios should have to pay the artist for using their songs] and wanted to make sure i had my facts straight before i start singing this song to and audience.
The rights Billy Corgan is fighting for is only one of the type of royalties. It's the part that is due to the performers. In some countries this type of royalty doesn't even exist. In others (like the States) it is due by certain users like the online radio stations, but not by the regular stations.

For completion I need to add that most labels pay radio networks big money to have their songs played often. This is illegal I think, but still very happening.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. This is an interesting debate. Thanks.
#13
I didnt realize their was a law about paying artists to play their stuff on the radio, It seems the only people that would get any sort of real money from that are already famous and make more than enough money as it is.

It's kind of odd though, advertisers pay radio stations buckets of money for a 30 second commercial but bands would have to be payed for a 4ish minute long advertisement of their own work.
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#14
Commercial radio the artists pay the radio to play their things. Only random Indie and stations like cbc will play without a fee.
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Yeah I forgot, they do get ASCAP fees, but I imagine they probably want commercial use fees, which are considerably higher.


Yea well that's bull****. I believe you can't use an artists song to sell something of any type. But you can use it....say....in a show promo. Like when I used to host a punk show I used "anarchy for sale" in the background when I made a promo for my show, which I guess is ok. But obviouslly you can't use it in a commerical that the station makes for some product or business without permission, which I agree with. But as far just playing it goes, I dont think you should have to pay any fees....it's all free promotion for the band as far as Im concerned. The only artists that would get a large amount of money anyway are the bands and artists that have plenty of money anyway. And the indie bands and artists that could actually use the money....should probably just be happy with the free promotion. So....whatever. ANYWAY. I dont care. I'll never be in a band probably, I'll just be the music geek playing the damn music for the bands I love. So whatever. I could go on about all this for a long time....but at the end of the day....having to play them more would just lead to more commercials and kill college radio and blah blah.
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Commercial radio the artists pay the radio to play their things. Only random Indie and stations like cbc will play without a fee.


no they don't, in the U.S. at least that's illegal and DJs caught accepting "Payola" (the industry term for paying off DJ's) generally gey blackballed.
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no they don't, in the U.S. at least that's illegal and DJs caught accepting "Payola" (the industry term for paying off DJ's) generally gey blackballed.

Sorry my friend that's how it works. There was some legislation passed which was supposed to get rid of it, but it only made matters worse I believe. Instead of getting rid of payola it only created middlemen (Independent Promoters).
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Sorry my friend that's how it works. There was some legislation passed which was supposed to get rid of it, but it only made matters worse I believe. Instead of getting rid of payola it only created middlemen (Independent Promoters).


That's illegal too, and all four of the major labels got busted and had to pay huge fines for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/26/business/26music.html?_r=1
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Interesting, yet I wouldn't count on payola being abolished. Sounds like they'll have to find more loopholes.


I know Clear Channel doesn't do it anymore, since they also had to pay several million bucks, they won't even meet with promoters now, and that pretty much effectively abolisihes it in several markets.
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It's kind of odd though, advertisers pay radio stations buckets of money for a 30 second commercial but bands would have to be payed for a 4ish minute long advertisement of their own work.
Consider the songs as content, and the commercials as web banners. Besides, would you listen to a radio that plays commercials all day long?
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(...) I wouldn't count on payola being abolished. Sounds like they'll have to find more loopholes.
I agree with you. Both radio networks and big labels increase their profit with this system. Why would they stop?
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