#1
Alright guys... Firstly hello! My first post on the site and it's good to be here.

So onto my problem (although it's a nice one to have):

I don't play in a metal band but i love metal and love playing it, usually i just jam with a couple of friends or practicing at home...but nothing more than that.

I have a good amount to spend and i want to buy a guitar purely for hard rock and metal stuff (so don't worry about crisp, ringing cleans!). Currently i'm looking at the following guitars:

ESP M-II or KH-2 Hammett model (not really sure if the Hammett is any better than the standard M-II??).

Ibanez J Custom

Jackson Soloist (USA Select Series)

I don't ever envisage playing this guitar on stage so i'm open to the idea of the Hammett signature model or maybe the Stephen Carpenter 7 string (i don't have a 7 string currently)

So do any of you have opinions on which of the above is the better guitar all round? And do any of you have better alternative suggestions??

Be good to hear some thoughts!

Thanks.

Paul.
#2
Jackson Soloist all the way. It's the king of superstrats, it sounds good, it plays like a dream, and it feels very solid. Try it out, you'll see for yourself. MII and KH2 clearly are behind the soloist, but they are cheaper too. And they arent bad at all.
J-customs are pimped up RG prestiges. It's better than a prestige, but is still typically Ibanez, and i dont like that. A dressed up turd is still a turd. But hey, you might like it.
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Jackson Soloist all the way. It's the king of superstrats, it sounds good, it plays like a dream, and it feels very solid. Try it out, you'll see for yourself. MII and KH2 clearly are behind the soloist, but they are cheaper too. And they arent bad at all.
J-customs are pimped up RG prestiges. It's better than a prestige, but is still typically Ibanez, and i dont like that. A dressed up turd is still a turd. But hey, you might like it.

someone doesnt like ibanez :P
#4
I would go with the Ibanez J Custom because you know that the build quality will be amazing compaired to the other guitars.
the best thing to do is to tey and play all the guitars your looking at so you can feel what plays best for you. also have you thought about buying used because you might be able to get an even better guitar for the price.
another thing, look at cheaper guitars as well because some of the high end Schecters (C-1 Blackjack ATX FR) play better then some ESP's and jacksons IMO
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#5
danelectro is as metal as it get!

but, seriously, you gotta try the guitars, and try some in various price ranges, you might find something for cheaper u like a lot and save money
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Thanks for that.... I've played a J Custom before and thought it was pretty much flawless build wise. Better than any PRS or Gibson i've owned or played. They're very low production compared to other Ibanez and it shows. BUT the J Custom isn't really a metal guitar... more of a good all rounder to be honest.

I can't seem to find a through neck M-II or KH-2 locally to try so i need the opinions of people who have played them and can offer a comparison. I would agree that the M-II is behind the soloist but not a custom shop KH-2. Prices are very similar here in the UK between the 2.

I have no evidence as of yet that Jackson make better guitars than ESP but if people have played both and they say so... I won't argue!
I sometimes think the Soloist is a bit 80's, still a brilliant guitar though.
#7
Any ESP owners care to throw some opinions my way?!
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#8
Out of those guitars, I'd say the Jackson. Jacksons are great guitars, especially their higher line models.
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#9
I haven't recieved my ESP FR-II Horizon yet but I tried it down in my local music store. ESP FR-II Horizon is an awesome guitar.

Maybe too expensive for you, I dunno. :S


The M-II ESP looks good also. But yeah, you should know the EMG pick-ups will need batteries and you have to change batteries and the Duncan will not need any batteries.

EMG sound very metal but Duncan fits metal too, I mean, Lamb of God uses Duncan and many more do so too. But I suggest going to a guitar store and hearing it and test the pickups before choosing, I did so and I ended up choosing Duncan.

I suggest you take a look at ESP FR-II Horizon and M-II and check both out, and yeah, remember, there are more colors for the guitars than the ESP website shows. You should talk to the Guitar Store that handles ESP and ask him about colors for the guitar.

I hope this helped. Also:

Review on ESP M-II: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/esp/m-ii/index.html (Overall Rating: 9,6 and Users Rating is: 8,6)

Review on ESP FR-II Horizon: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/esp/horizon_fr-ii/index.html (Overall Rating: 9,0 and Users Rating: 9,6)

These are the two I suggest, I hope this helps.
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I would go with the Ibanez J Custom because you know that the build quality will be amazing compaired to the other guitars.
the best thing to do is to tey and play all the guitars your looking at so you can feel what plays best for you. also have you thought about buying used because you might be able to get an even better guitar for the price.
another thing, look at cheaper guitars as well because some of the high end Schecters (C-1 Blackjack ATX FR) play better then some ESP's and jacksons IMO


What?!

So the build quality of a machine made Ibanez will be better than a hand built, USA Jackson Soloist?

I don't think so.
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What?!

So the build quality of a machine made Ibanez will be better than a hand built, USA Jackson Soloist?

I don't think so.


I thought J Customs were hand made, my mistake sorry. I dont know much about Ibanez as you can now tell
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I thought J Customs were hand made, my mistake sorry. I dont know much about Ibanez as you can now tell


It's ok mate, I'm defensive over soloists
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the soloist is better than the ibanez.
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my ESP EDWARDS is GODLY FOR METAL SOLOS. its what alexi laiho from children of bodom uses, and it has a super fast neck, ebony fretboard, and a single SD AHB-1, its a masterpeice of a guitar and it freaking owns for metal. also i have a nice schecter damien b-2 i set up the way i wanted by ripping the licenced floyd for the original which IMO is 10000000X better. and throwing in some SD ABH-1. if you WANT METAL look for ACTIVE EMG's OR SD blackouts in which ever axe u but also the ESP MTM-1 the mick thomson model is beast one of my buddies owns it ans he loves it.
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my ESP EDWARDS is GODLY FOR METAL SOLOS. its what alexi laiho from children of bodom uses, and it has a super fast neck, ebony fretboard, and a single SD AHB-1, its a masterpeice of a guitar and it freaking owns for metal. also i have a nice schecter damien b-2 i set up the way i wanted by ripping the licenced floyd for the original which IMO is 10000000X better. and throwing in some SD ABH-1. if you WANT METAL look for ACTIVE EMG's OR SD blackouts in which ever axe u but also the ESP MTM-1 the mick thomson model is beast one of my buddies owns it ans he loves it.

lol you're funny.
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the Ibanez MTM-1 the mick thomson model is beast one of my buddies owns it ans he loves it.


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Quote by kurney
What?!

So the build quality of a machine made Ibanez will be better than a hand built, USA Jackson Soloist?

I don't think so.


People don't understand much these days. Machine made guitars can be just as good as handmade. CNCs make everything the exact same every time which a human can't do. Machines also don't have lbabor costs like humans do, so they can put better quality parts on the guitar. The guitar will be inspected by techs so you wont get a horrible built guitar, so really, I can see a machine made Ibanez being better than a hand built jackson.
BTW I like both the guitars the same, I just don't liking people saying guitars are bad or worse then others because they are made by machines.
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