#1
I know what the differences are between the two, but is it really worth making a rack?

I'm right now between either making a rack or saving up for a bogner uberschall (or maybe just a alchemist).
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Uberschall =/= alchemist
Uberschall >>>> Alchemist

i dont know a single think about racks, except that you neeed a pwer amp and a pre amp and some other **** in order to make noise.
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Uberschall =/= alchemist
Uberschall >>>> Alchemist

i dont know a single think about racks

Yea, i know uberschall wins, but money may win and personally i think the alchemist isn't too bad
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#4
If you make a GOOD rack setup, you'll be in heaven. But a good rack is bloody expensive.

If you want some hints, though, look for a Hafler Triple Giant on eBay (preamp) and then invest in a Mesa 2:90 power amp or a Carvin.
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#5
an uberschall will sound amazing. a rack setup will sound amazing and be incredibly versatile... but will also in the long run cost more as you keep adding to it... and its a hassle to move around....
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#6
The Alchemist is definitely NOT a bad amp. It's not an Uberschall or, my personal favorite amp of all time - a Shiva - but it is a good amp, and not everyone (myself included) can drop 2k on an amp (Shiva or otherwise).
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#7
So it seems like the alchemist is a good choice unless i'm willing to drop a few thousand for either another bogner or make a rack.
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#8
Pretty much, yeah.
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#9
You can build a rack used for relatively cheap, but compared to an Uberschall, tone will not come close. But, I have had a rack before that played amazingly well:
Peavey Classic 50/50 power amp
Mesa Boogie Quad Preamp
Ibanez Rack Delay
Furhman Power Conditioner

Used, all the stuff put me around 1,000 usd's, I would build one again, but it is alot to lug around.
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#10
buying the alchemist because you like the Uberschall is like buying an MG or AVT because you like the JCM800

Racks sound amazing, and are versatile, but could easily end up costing more than an Uberschall to sound anywhere near as good
i'd save Up for the Uberschall, because at a certain point you've gotta quit compromising and wait/save until you can buy it, and the racks are a hassle to set up, rearrange
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#11
A pretty badass rack can be had for cheaper than an Alchemist and sound better imo.

ADA MP-1 preamp into a Mesa 50/50 or something should do you just fine and be less than $1000. Or you could go with a cheaper power amp from Carvin or Peavey.
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#12
So im now hearing that i could make a good rack better than the alchemist head, so what would i get for it.

What i really want is a high-gain distortion, good cleans, i guess a tuner, and i need a power conditioner. I want to try to replicate a bogner or mesa.

What would i get and for how much?

I also have effect pedals that i'll just continue to use cause i like them alot.
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#13
anyone have any ideas?
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#14
Like I said earlier. Look for a Hafler Triple Giant preamp- they're pretty cheap on eBay and Reinhold Bogner designed them. I know of one in Australia that's for sale if eBay isn't being kind to you.
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#15
Looks like an awesome deal, i just need to get some more money before i start this project. What else do i need?

I know that i need a power amp and i guess a power conditioner. What are some good ones?
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#16
In almost all of the rack rigs I've built/used, I used both a head and a rack case. But if you're trying to avoid a head, there are certainly a ton of possibilities. The only real reason to go with a rack rig is for the versatility, if you plan on keeping a relatively simple setup, then a rack rig may be too much hassle and too much money.

Furman makes some excellent power conditioners, personally I usually just use a very simple rackmounted power strip and then use an "uninteruptable power supply" outside of the rack case.

Regarding preamps you have a ton of possibilities at virtually any price point. If you are looking for something inexpensive try taking a look at the following:

-Digitech GSP1101
-Tech21 SansAmp PSA-1.1
-Yamaha DG1000
-Carvin Quad X
-ADA MP-1

I prefer to have complete control over the preamp so I generally favor stuff such as the Digitech, Tech21, and Yamaha preamps over the other two (which have great switching options but not "complete" control in a sense).

You'll probably want an effects processor, as such something like the Digitech has a ton of effects built in, however depending upon price you may want to look at anything from the TC Electronic G-Major to the Eventide Eclipse. If you have complex switching requirements, or a bunch of stompboxes you want to incorporate you'll need a switching system, I personally recommend something from RJM Music Technologies (the RG-16 is what I tend to use more than anything else).

Regarding power amps, decide on whether you want a tube or solid state unit. Carvin has an inexpensive tube power amp that does really well, or you could buck up and get something top of the line such as a VHT. Marshall had a great solid state unit with the 8008 Valvestate power amp, but I much prefer the rackmountable Tech21 power engine units.
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#17
The Engl E530 pre amp, mixed a Mesa or VHT power amp, a power conditioner, and a Digitech effects unit would probably sound really sick.
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