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#1
My brother has decided that he wants to play drums, which is awesome because he likes the same music I do and it gets me an automatic band mate. The only thing is, neither of us know anything about drums.

We're going to Guitar Center and a local guitar store to check some stuff out tomorrow, but what all does he need to get?
What should he look for in a first drum set? How much should he spend?

If it makes any difference, he wants to start with stuff like Smashing Pumpkins and Silversun Pickups.
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#2
I'd say $500 max.

but what would a guitar player on a guitar forum on a guitar website know.
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#3
Google.

Honestly man. Google it.

I ASSURE YOU that you would have found a convenient article on starting drum sets, what to look for, how to haggle, and how to start.

WITHOUT the sass of the pit.
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Google.

Honestly man. Google it.

I ASSURE YOU that you would have found a convenient article on starting drum sets, what to look for, how to haggle, and how to start.

WITHOUT the sass of the pit.


The Pit is still the drum forum.
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#5
searchbar..........haha jk look for 3 toms at least a good snare, hi-hat, crash, ride and a bass drum, but more would be better

zildijan makes really good cymbals

pearl makes really nice kits
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#6
Why isn't there a separate drum forum, I know this ultimate-guitar, but a drum sub-forum hidden somewhere would be nice.
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Why isn't there a separate drum forum, I know this ultimate-guitar, but a drum sub-forum hidden somewhere would be nice.

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#8
Well with my VERY limited knowledge of drums I know you will want at least:
bass drum
snare
floor tom
tom 1 and 2
hi-hat
crash
If you can,get a ride and if you can afford double brace stands get them to.
Steer clear from cheapie cymbals,cos they REALLY do suck.
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#9
The advice I'll give you is that you shouldn't go for a No-name kit or a company that specialises in making cheap kits (CB, Tornado). Instead for for something like a starter level Pearl, Yamaha, Tama, Premier Etc.

Just like when you buy a guitar try and get them to throw in as much free stuff as possible. Ask for better hardware (Stands, pedals, etc.) that comes on the started kit and try and bargain for a cheapish cymbal set (Zildjian ZHT or Solar cymbals are going to be better than the poor quality cymbals you get with most starter kits which are practically made of glorified tin foil.

I hope I was of some help.
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#10
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Why isn't there a separate drum forum, I know this ultimate-guitar, but a drum sub-forum hidden somewhere would be nice.

I know what you mean.

However you have to consider that the website name is "Ultimate-GUITAR".

As in guitar, or bass guitar.

If you want a drum forum, LOOK HERE.
#11
A good starter kit is a Pearl Target series kit. It will need new heads like remos cause that kit comes with crap ones. And a crash and some hats with the stand for each, a drum key and buy a pillow that you can put in the bass drum for a damper. He'll also need a drum throne, not sure if the kit comes with one, it should do though.
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#12
I'd say hit craigslist and get a used kit cheap. You don't need the bells and whistles yet, and if he really wants he can save up for a pro kit while having something to learn on. If you're going to get a beginner's kit anyway, why buy new? Just ask the seller to try it out first. Keep in mind you'll want to get new heads, which will make the kit sound better.

Really all you need:
Kick drum (and kick pedal)
Sticks
Snare (and snare stand)
Floor tom with legs and at least 1 tom over the kick (preferably 2)
Drum key (for tuning)
Hi-hats (the two cymbals stacked, has a pedal at the bottom of the stand)
at least 1 crash/ride cymbal (one big cymbal other than the hi-hats)
a chair

That's all you need for a bare bones kit. You can always add to it or subtract from it as you see fit. Good luck!
#13
I've just been looking online at some sets. What does it mean when it says hardware not included?
What hardware do I need?
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#14
go for a five piece mapex, pearl or yamaha if he want them to hold for some years.

make sure you play them before you buy them; and don't bother with cymbals yet; stay with the stock until you7he really know it's his thing


edit: the hardware is bass pedal, hihat stand, tom mounts and cymbal stands and such.
get a kit with everything included, it's best for a beginner
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#15
First things, I'd recommend a 'Fusion kit' (10" & 12" Rack Toms, 14" Floor Tom, 22" Kick, 14x5.5 Snare).

Stick with brand names, Pearl, Tama, Gretsch, Mapex etc.

Find out what comes with the kit you're buying and if need be factor in the cost extras (throne, sticks, mutes), hardware (cymbal stands, snare stands, kick pedals) and cymbals (hats, crash, ride). Some kits will include everything, others will have cymbal stands but no cymbals, others will have nothing but the drums themselves. check what you're getting.

Right now I'd definately look to buy a midrange name brand used kit than a new starter kit. for the same price as a new starter you'll get better used kit that you can make like new with a new set of heads.

Thats all I can think of right now.
Last edited by Jaksar at Mar 26, 2009,
#16
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Why isn't there a separate drum forum, I know this ultimate-guitar, but a drum sub-forum hidden somewhere would be nice.

there really should, and there is indeed a group for that focus here.
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#17
Can anyone find any set up that online that would include everything for under $500?
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Killer-Yamaha-Rock-Tour-Custom-Kit-with-Extras_W0QQitemZ280325655125QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item280325655125&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50


Well you never know, could get a bargain.....


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#19
As much as I think he should, he doesn't want to buy used. Could anyone set up something under $500-$600? That includes shells, cymbals, and hardware.
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#20
Here's a pretty good deal I found on the Tucson craigslist (based on your location):
http://tucson.craigslist.org/msg/1067241660.html
EDIT: Here's another: http://tucson.craigslist.org/msg/1052050806.html

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#21
That's cool and all, but he really is adamant against buying used.
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#22
Used would be good, you can get really good deals, I got my whole kit for $150 which is more like $75 in US.
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#24
Those look good TS. Can't go wrong with mapex, your bro would just need some sticks, I would recommend Vater nudes, they're nice.

EDIT: and a pillow in the bass drum, stops it from ringing too much, just a normal pillow like youd have on your bed is good.
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#25
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Mapex QR series are a terrific starter kit! The Voyager comes with an 18" Kick and there's nothing wrong with that, just some people (like me) prefer the 22" kick that comes with the Fusionease or Standard Kit.
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mapex-QR-Fusionese-22-Custom-Wrap-Drum-Set?sku=490287

I'm not a fan of ZBT Cymbals. Paiste PST3 are I think a much better starter cymbal.
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Paiste-PST-3-Universal-Set-141620?sku=447554
Last edited by Jaksar at Mar 26, 2009,
#26
convince him that used is alright. i didn't want to buy used at first, then i lucked out and got a really nice 5 piece kit of pearls with all hardware, crash, ride and hihat, drum throne double kick, everything. all for around 600$. all this **** new woulda been at least 1500$. it's worth it.
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#27
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why not? no one would force you to even click on the forum. it would just be a nice addition for us guitar players who also play drums on the side! it definitly couldn't hurt, could it?

edit: to make this on topic.

I bought a Ludwig Accent 5 Piece (lower to middle end Ludwig kit, but still an amazing kit for what i'm trying to do) used for 350. It came with an extra floor tom, a zildjian crash / ride / splash, a pearl hi-hat, a camber crash-ride, and all brand new drum heads.

I hit the jackpot in my opinion. JUST the ludwig kit brand new is 430, but i got all of that extra stuff too!
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Last edited by BassFishin at Apr 8, 2009,
#29
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hell yea! violent femmes all the way haha, their drummer used brushes on nothing but a snare/hi-hat, standing up! (although i think he had other random percussion pieces, but still)
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#30
get him a pearl forums series set. this is a good set to start on but its good enough just in case he keeps with it.
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#31
for a starter set i would recommend a ludwig set nice and cheap $400 comes with snare three toms and a bass drum and for cymbals i would recommend zildijan. they make nice cheap cymbals but still sound great. stay away from some of the sabian cymbals, they make a few good ones but some are ****. and when buying cymbals get one ride, one crash and a hi-hat. and if you cant get a seperate ride and crash buy a good crash ride like the zildijan zbt series
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#32
yea, let me answer the poster now.

snare, 3 toms, kick, hi hat, crash, and ride. if you get those, you will be ready to rock out

the pearl forum kit and the ludwig accent kit (mine) are on par with eachother. some think the forum owns the accent, some think the other way around. test em out and see which you like better!
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Quote by BassFishin
why not? no one would force you to even click on the forum. it would just be a nice addition for us guitar players who also play drums on the side! it definitly couldn't hurt, could it?

edit: to make this on topic.

I bought a Ludwig Accent 5 Piece (lower to middle end Ludwig kit, but still an amazing kit for what i'm trying to do) used for 350. It came with an extra floor tom, a zildjian crash / ride / splash, a pearl hi-hat, a camber crash-ride, and all brand new drum heads.

I hit the jackpot in my opinion. JUST the ludwig kit brand new is 430, but i got all of that extra stuff too!


Its been tried if I remember right and it didnt work
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#36
Mapex FTW.
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#37
Ok man my little bro plays and he swears by Gretsch and Sabian. Both are very reputable and have some great entry level gear. DO NOT BY A ZILDIAN ZPACK!!!! Sabian B8's and Paiste 201's are great entry level cymbals. I prefer Paiste high ends. Its all prefrence but remember guality over guantity. Try and buy what you like.

Look at these:

Drums:
(dont like the color, but are excelent beginner drums remember with a shell pack you will have to buy cymbal stands and a bass drum pedal as well)

http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gretsch-Drums-Catalina-Club-Mod-4Piece-Tattoo-Shell-Pack?sku=481922

Cymbals:
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Paiste-201-Bronze-Universal-Cymbal-Set-141620?sku=447494
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Ok man my little bro plays and he swears by Gretsch and Sabian. Both are very reputable and have some great entry level gear. DO NOT BY A ZILDIAN ZPACK!!!! Sabian B8's and Paiste 201's are great entry level cymbals. I prefer Paiste high ends. Its all prefrence but remember guality over guantity. Try and buy what you like.

Look at these:

Drums:
(dont like the color, but are excelent beginner drums remember with a shell pack you will have to buy cymbal stands and a bass drum pedal as well)

http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gretsch-Drums-Catalina-Club-Mod-4Piece-Tattoo-Shell-Pack?sku=481922

Cymbals:
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Paiste-201-Bronze-Universal-Cymbal-Set-141620?sku=447494



its funny, my drummer uses a 5 X 14 snare, while the ludwig i bought came awith a 6.5 X 14 like in the shell pack you displayed here..

and i can't imagine playing anything smaller than a 6.5 now! man, that is the most amazing sound ever....especially when its a wood snare!

in other words, if money isn't much of an option, the shell pack he just showed you is amazing for a beginner.
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#39
Before looking at anything else look for second hand stuff.
Its the way to go with drums
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#40
5-piece is where all the magic begins. I'm sure others have said it already, but I'll list it anyways. You'll need:

A snare
A bass drum + pedal
2 toms
A floor tom
A hi-hat
A crash cymbol
Sticks (obviously)
A throne if possible

Also, it would be good but not necessary to get a ride cymbal. Once you have all that down, start adding toms and cymbals, and if you really want to expand, go with double bass; nothing is more fun that running on bass pedals.

Edit: Check musiciansfriend.com
Last edited by herby190 at Apr 8, 2009,
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