#1
Don't worry, this isn't a complaining thread , but more so a share your opinion thread

So I receieved a somewhat douchebag-ish phone call from one of my good friends early today, or at least that's how it came off to me. Basically, he pretty much called to gloat about the fact that it looks like he will start doing random training days to eventually be promoted to a well paying position at his job (~$80K+ USD a year, probably with some commission being a varying factor), and then proceeded with "%*$( college, who needs it?"

Being a college student, this came off as pretty asshole like to me, but he can be that way. Basically, whenever this topic comes up, I argue that you don't necessarily need a college education to find a good paying job, but that it definitely makes it easier to find good paying work. I also argue that I'm simply not interested in doing what he does for a living, but he doesn't seem to understand why, and responds "all they care about is work experience", and then I just sigh and tell him that it depends on what field you're talking about.

I'm attending school to study for a computer science major, and have a quarter and 2 years left to go to get it if all goes according to plan. (This would pretty much be my main interest in some kind of career, other than music, which I have chosen to do on the side). He still tries to convince me it's a waste of time, but last I checked, aside from being an honest interest of mine, it seems to be a good degree to go for.

So, I guess my opinion on the matter, is that it's not only about money, but that you must do what you enjoy, and find a way to balance the two. Am I going to school for the right reason and is he just being an ass cause he found good paying work so easily? (we're both 21), or does he have a point?

Discuss away, UG!
#2
Some of the richest people in the world didn't go to college. Some of the richest people in the world wouldn't be rich without college. Some of the richest people in the world wouldn't be rich without their parents.

The moral of the story? Get rich parents.
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#3
Life isn't about making the most money before you die. College is an experience, not just a ticket to high paying jobs. You learn, mature, and grow a ton. Most 20-something year olds I know that skipped college either took a long time to grow up or never did (in a bad way). Not to mention, if he ever loses that job, in the future economy, having a college education is going to become the new high school diploma. You're going to have to have it to get any decent job.

Education and experience are the two things in life that no one can take from you.
#4
You should know by now long threads need a tl:dr

You can't really get a decent job in whatever field you're studying after college. From experience, college doesn't really teach you much, that is what university is for. Again it does come down to the field and ofcourse, sheer luck

Nowadays it's harder than ever to get a job.
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Imo education, particularly when it's geared towards practical fields, is never ever a bad thing. It give you more resources to draw on which should, in theory, mean you're more likely to be 'successful' (however you choose to define that). That said, you don't need to go to college/university in order to utilise the resources you do have in order to be successful.

In short, college gives you more resources than the average bear but if you don't use them and the guy that didn't go to college uses all of his to succeed guess who's going to get there first??
#7
Even though there's no way I could get a job in biomedical research without going to college, the main thing I like about college is that it forced me into an environment where I'm surrounded by intelligent people.

I like clever people.
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#8
The only people who say such things about university education are the ones who didn't have the brains or determination to go to college themselves. And of course, like in the fable, when the fox jumps as high as she can, but still can't reach the grapes which are higher above, she walks away saying it's not worth it because they're probably sour.
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The only people who say such things about university education are the ones who didn't have the brains or determination to go to college themselves. And of course, like in the fable, when the fox jumps as high as she can, but still can't reach the grapes which are higher above, she walks away saying it's not worth it because they're probably sour.


But what does the giraffe say when he eats the sour grapes and dies from food poisoning? Nothing, because he is dead.
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#11
Moneys not everything. It would be very pointless to go into a profession you would not enjoy, even if it was paying 80k with just a little training.
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I think that college tuition is a little outrageous which is my deciding factor in not going(yet).
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I think that college tuition is a little outrageous which is my deciding factor in not going(yet).

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#14
I don't know,

College is good for education and it gives you a higher chance of getting the jobs you were looking for, if you studied the right subject.
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So, I guess my opinion on the matter, is that it's not only about money, but that you must do what you enjoy, and find a way to balance the two. Am I going to school for the right reason and is he just being an ass cause he found good paying work so easily? (we're both 21), or does he have a point?

Discuss away, UG!


i agree with you, but i don't see why he is being an ass, he is just telling you what he thinks
#17
I'm considering droping out of college. I'm definitely going to go back. I'm just not finding the experence enlightening or enjoyable. I think I need to grow up first.
#19
honestly, your friend got lucky.

but here's one thing i don't like about the US education system. you see, college isn't for everyone. some people DON'T need to go to college to get into the careers they want to pursue, yet our high schools constantly push and push for students to go to college. instead, they need to offer students choices that would help them fit their careers. sure, we can have a college-bound student taking a variety of classes, but what about the person that wants to be a mechanic or electrician? they too need some of that variety, but they also need more courses that would give them hands-on training because that's exactly what they need. instead, once these kids graduate high school, they have a choice to go to either college, work, or college. the united states's education system only supports a single type of student.

the college-bound graduates are perfectly prepared, in my opinion. although, we seem to fail in the category of the students not attending college. plus, every person in the US is given this message that a college degree is like the new high school diploma. employers would hardly hire a person if he did not attend college.

they also have college for hands-on training for being a mechanic or electrician, which is outrageous. some people don't need to go to college to pursue this career, but the american image has put this upon us.
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#20
I think a university experience is important for the things it provides other than job training. It's good to be educating people in that special way--it does make them more well-rounded and turns them into critical thinkers rather than people that happen to memorize a skill set and then mindlessly apply it.

All that said, I know it's not for everyone and economics doesn't always have to enter into that at all. It's good that your buddy can be successful without a college education, it's good that others can go to schools where they don't emphasize a university experience (just do advanced job training basically) and be sucessful, but it's also good that You can go to college where they engage you in the ways you enjoy most.

I like being educated, I don't particularly like being trained. That's ok, and it's ok for people that feel the exact opposite. The more we pigeon hole opportunity into one set educational experience the less productive and happy our society will be.

edit^ paintitblack points out just how we've been pigeonholing opportunity--and I think we can all see how the examples he gives are detrimental.
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#22
There are definitely good reasons out there to not go to college. You can get many jobs without a college education, depending on your needs, drive desire, and ability, survive and prosper. But there is also considerable risk in not going depending on your needs, drive, ability, and desire.

I personally cannot wait to go to college (UC Berkeley! Got accepted yesterday). I am planning on sharing a house/apartment with some people and having the time of my life while receiving an education from the number one public university in the nation.
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College is overrated.
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#24
Do what you are interested in. It's that simple.

You enjoy computers? Do something with them then.

You enjoy philosophy? Go study it and discuss it with your peers.

You like building things? Be a builder.

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i personally cant wait for college and get the experience of a lifetime.

one thing though, is college really that outrageous with all the naked women and drinking and partying till you are in a coma ?

Is it like the movies? Well there is plenty of drinking for sure (in most schools at least), but will every party you enter have girls who look like porn stars beckoning for you to use their body as a shot glass? No
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