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#1
this was just coming across my mind but why do some people prefer bolt ons? i hate having that huge chunk when im playing solos.. dont give me stuff about neck thickness finish all that stuff just the bolt on and why people like it
#2
not all of them have a huge chunk.

they're generally cheaper, can be easily replaced if broken and give just as good sustain as any other neck type.

not everyone plays up there either, so it's not an issue for all people.
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#3
I'm not sure that I've ever heard of anyone actually "preferring" a bolt-on when they could go for a set neck, or neck through. The only advantages i can think of are price, They'll be cheaper. And you could change the neck if you wanted to ...

But just because a guitar has a bolt-on doesn't mean it's cheap. My Ibanez S5470 has a bolt on and its one of the best guitars I've ever played.

But I also don't know anything, so I'm probably wrong...


Quote by Lemoninfluence
not all of them have a huge chunk.

they're generally cheaper, can be easily replaced if broken and give just as good sustain as any other neck type.

not everyone plays up there either, so it's not an issue for all people.



Whoah... thats kinda what i said.... and i was just guessing....cool.
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#4
If it's a good joint, there won't be a huge chunk there. I do like unfinished necks though, and neck-throughs have different geometry than bolt ons. You can also replace them easily. Neck-throughs also have a different tone since they're mainly maple, whereas a bolt-on neck is usually maple with a different body wood.
#5
It would cost you more to repair a set-in neck or a neckthrough neck, mean while with a bolt-on you just have to buy a new neck and screw it on.
#7
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I personaly love neck through because of the sustain, but bolt on necks allow me to smash dumbasses in the head with my squire and not have a useless guitar afterwards. Just have to go get a new neck, or peferbaly a new guitar.

neck joint type makes a negligible difference in sustain.
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#8
I'm not sure that I've ever heard of anyone actually "preferring" a bolt-on when they could go for a set neck, or neck through.
I prefer bolt-on necks. I've played plenty of neck through and set necks but nothing feels as good as a good bolt on. Price has nothing to do with it either. I play an American Deluxe Strat and a Prestige RG. The strat does have that chunk and that can get annoying but it's better than a Les Paul. I can easily get to the 24th fret of my Ibanez without any problems whatsoever.
#9
Quote by JELIFISH19
I prefer bolt-on necks. I've played plenty of neck through and set necks but nothing feels as good as a good bolt on. Price has nothing to do with it either. I play an American Deluxe Strat and a Prestige RG. The strat does have that chunk and that can get annoying but it's better than a Les Paul. I can easily get to the 24th fret of my Ibanez without any problems whatsoever.


Yeh, thats what i was saying, my Ibanez has a bolt on and i love it. But also, I dont think I'vr ever seen a strat that doesn't have a bolt on. Are there?
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neck joint type makes a negligible difference in sustain.

Not to argue with a mod, but that's not true. Neck-through designs resonate the whole body more, and do produce more sustain than a set neck or a bolt-on. However, there is negligible difference in sustain between a bolt-on and a set neck, I'll give you that.
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neck joint type makes a negligible difference in sustain.


Why are you posting, then editing it to black? and why are you typing the code instead of going to clicking on the color box thingy??

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Not to argue with a mod, but that's not true. Neck-through designs resonate the whole body more, and do produce more sustain than a set neck or a bolt-on. However, there is negligible difference in sustain between a bolt-on and a set neck, I'll give you that.


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Not to argue with a mod, but that's not true. Neck-through designs resonate the whole body more, and do produce more sustain than a set neck or a bolt-on. However, there is negligible difference in sustain between a bolt-on and a set neck, I'll give you that.
there's been a recent study that found that a bolt on neck joint gives more sustain than set neck or through neck styke necks. but the difference wasn't audible by human ears.Why are you posting, then editing it to black? and why are you typing the code instead of going to clicking on the color box thingy??



He's just a CC jk.jk.jk

it works out the same way. when i quote you the code is there.

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neck joint type makes a negligible difference in sustain.

word.

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#15
Well, the thing is that if the bolt-on is ****ty, the guitar will suck. But if it is good, then I might prefer it to others as the neck can be replaced much easier.
#16
Quote by raoulsanchez
the bolt on and why people like it


It may have to do with scale, just “overall feel” or that they like the body that the neck is bolted on to. But who cares?

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#17
Some people prefer a guitar the HAS a bolt on neck but don't prefer the bolt on neck its self
#18
I don't like the tone of playing on the higher frets, so the feel of the join is irrelevant to me. I'd buy anything, but the lower price of guitars with bolt on necks means I probably 'prefer' them.
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and I can't stand it when people use weird text colours. so I'm using black on mine.

You obviously dont use UG black because that is rediculusly hard to read.
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Why are you posting, then editing it to black? and why are you typing the code instead of going to clicking on the color box thingy??
because your posts are too hard to read, that color's too bright.
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because your posts are too hard to read, that color's too bright.

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#22
1. I actually prefer the joint feel; Neck-through has just always feel unnatural to me, like the entire guitar is one slab of wood, which, while it would be interesting, is not what I like.
2. More sustain.
3. Cheaper.
4. Easier to fix.
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#23
i prefer bolt ons
i dunno just liked the feel more, and plus the whole sustain thing isnt true, steve vai, joe satch, and mr. paul gilbert all use bolt ons and are gods at sustain, plsu they save you alot of money when you buy it and down the road.
think of it as

*smashes bolt on neck by mistake* = 100-300 bucks for a new neck
*smashes set/neck through neck by mistake* = you have to buy the WHOLE new guitar again. so anywhere from 700 into the thousands since mostly only higher end and more expensive guitars make neck throughs.
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#25
i prefer neck through just because they feel better. none of this sustain nonsense. I think its about the same.

I am curious how many of you have broken a guitar's neck. I don't really see that as a con of neck through guitars

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#26
To clear up the sustain issue:
It is easier to explain how neck-through joints effect sustain than how bolt-ons effect sustain, so let's run with that. Once you understand how a neck-through effects sustain, it's easy to then see why a setneck or a good bolt-on join can give better sustain.

When you have a neck-through guitar, you're always going to have a three-piece body. The center piece/neck, then the two 'wing' pieces glued to either side of that center block. This is not good for sustain (it also dulls the tone and responsiveness of the guitar). So that's your first problem. A bolt-on or setneck guitar can have a two- or one-piece body which will always supply much more sustain and responsiveness than a neck-through guitar which has at best a three-piece body.
More often than not, even in the better higher-end neck-through guitars, the only thing attaching the body wings to the center neck block is glue, and glue simply dampens everything about a guitar's resonance. Now yes, a setneck guitar also has glue attaching the neck to the body, but nowhere near as much. More of the body is able to remain cleanly intact than on a neck-through.


So now you can probably see why bolt-on guitars can have much better sustain than a neck-through. A bolt-on can be made without tone-sucking glue, it can be made with a one-piece body, and more resonance can pass through a clean bolt-on join since you've got direct wood-to-wood contact.


So given all this, why does anyone ever think neck-through guitars have good sustain?

One word: maple.

Most neck-through guitars are made with solid rock maple/hard maple necks. That maple also extends through the body. Maple is heavier than and sustains better than any other common tonewood used in guitar manufacture. It's naturally very bright tone (the brightest of all tonewoods) also helps counter the dampening effect of all that glue and the crappy three-piece body.
Mahogany will also see some use too in neck-throughs of course, but rarely. It results in a different tone, but a similar effect is achieved though; you end up with one big slab of a good-sustaining tonewood running the full length of the guitar. Maple is by far a more popular choice though.


And for the record, a one-piece maple-bodied guitar with a bolt-on all-maple neck sustains better than any other guitar you will ever touch.
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#27
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neck joint type makes a negligible difference in sustain.

Neck joint QUALITY makes a massive difference though
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and I can't stand it when people use weird text colours. so I'm using black on mine.
You know... your text is black by default The site changes it to white though if you use UG black.
Seriously though, it's like using a white crayon on white paper.
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#29
Bolt On necks just seem to feel a bit more study and secure, if you know what I mean.
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#31
My set neck LP has worse upper fret access than my bolt neck strat. And my bolt neck LP is easier to play higher up than my set neck LP. Fender has traditionally made bolt neck guitars and the bolt neck along with the scale give its tone, so if you want that tone then thats the way you go. Some prefer the set neck LP. There are alot of threads out there that say "dang my set neck fell over now the headstock is snapped off". If it glues back on cool if not its kindling. If its bolt neck its not really an issue. There are really expensive guitars with bolt necks that sell well so its not as if the design is flawed.
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Its easier to read, for me anyway. White is way too bright.
#33
I prefer bolt on necks for a number of reasons

1.Ease of repair
2.Feel and playability
3.The finish (I HATE GLOSSY NECKS)
4.The tone they give

It's all just personally preference.If bolt on necks were bad then they wouldn't be used on $2500+ instruments.The quality and tone of a bolt on is largely determined by the quality of the neck joint,so all the people who say things like "Neck through and set neck are higher quality" don't know what they're talking about.

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#34
well. paul gilbert has an extra large chunk on his sig. He says that you get a better tone. Like theres much more tone if it's like that. Iono. i dont think it's worth having to try so hard to reach the upper frets. Just.. Neck throughs are the best to me. My LTD's bolt on is good because they kinda cut the heel for access.
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Its easier to read, for me anyway. White is way too bright.


Er, it's actually a lovely pale grey. Have you driven a UG Classic recently?
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Er, it's actually a lovely pale grey. Have you driven a UG Classic recently?

No, because black is better IMO.
#38
Tone. Feel. Replaceability.

Sustain is a quality issue, not joint type. A good bolt on will give more sustain then necessary.

I like the extra punch I seem to get from a bolt on. It could also be that it's largely due to wood types interracting in terms of resonance. Not many neck throughs or set necks have body wood as far up the neck as a bolt on.

And the heel isn't a problem. I can see how small hands may be at a bit of a stretch though.
#39
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No, because black is better IMO.

+1.
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You obviously dont use UG black because that is rediculusly hard to read.

+1.

On-topic: Ibanez (and a couple of others, like Parker) fixed the problem you seem to have with bolt-ons (AANJ).
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#40
I don't care any more. I have both types and like them. If i like the guitar, set or bolt-on doesn't matter.
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