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Wulphy
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#1
Lets keep the "My cousin is extremely retarded and I still love him" things out of here, because it's not based on logic, it's based on irrational love.

Moving on:

Should severely mentally handicapped individuals be allowed to reproduce?

On the one hand:

-They contribute virtually nothing to society.
-Often lead to disciplinary problems in public schools, because teachers are not allowed to discipline the mentally handicapped by law.
-Huge legal struggles.

On the other hand:

-They are people too.
-We shouldn't discriminate.

We are not talking about executing the retarded, just preventing them from reproducing. As mental diseases are proven to be hereditary, is it moral to allow more severely handicapped individuals into the world? Is it moral to prevent them from reproducing?

Discuss.
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#2
Why not? Perfectly "normal" couples still have retarded children, as well as the opposite.

My parents were retaded and Iturned out fien.

Edit: Seriously though severely retarded people will have great difficulties raising and supporting a family. Just look at sarah palins daughter. Pregnant teen? Way to go, champ.

It might be an issue but I don't like the idea of telling who can or can not reproduce.
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#4
when you say "allow" it makes it seem like they are less than you are. there's no way you could outlaw the reproduction of the severely retarded, and i presume it'd be hard for you to try and prevent it...

as for you, you spin a story like a spider spins a web
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#5
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Why not? Perfectly "normal" couples still have retarded children, as well as the opposite.

My parents were retaded and Iturned out fien.


True, but studies have shown that the children of the mentally handicapped are much more likely to inherit the disease.

And you asked your retarded father for a handjob? I think that's abuse
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I'd say we shouldn't stop at stopping them from reproducing, but terminate the retarded at birth as well.

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#7
No. No. No. Think of what it would be like to be raised by two people with a combined IQ of 100. They would be unable to care for the child. No way.
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My parents were retaded and Iturned out fien.



Don't you mean retartet?
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#9
from a logistic point of view: no

from a humanitarian(?) point of view: yes

quite simple really

theres no possible way you can outweigh the logistic point of view without bringing morals into play. it simply makes more sense in many different ways

which view do i hold? dont know really
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If you'd not allow this fine man to reproduce, you should be shot. Who knows where the cooking world would be today without Merrill.

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He's not actually retarded.
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No. No. No. Think of what it would be like to be raised by two people with a combined IQ of 100. They would be unable to care for the child. No way.


This, you gotta think of the kids of these people. If they cant care and look after a child then no.
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#13
What do you mean provides nothing to society? Many retarded people have jobs, even if it is just tedious factory work. And the ones that are too severely handicapped to work won't be reproducing anyways.

But on topic: I don't know, it's a fine line.
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My parents were retaded and Iturned out fien.


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And the rest of society will just go with it, right?
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#17
Any person with a mental retardation, has something wrong with a chromosome, usually they r missing one, and therefore cannot reproduce
up for adoption

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I think that severely retarded or horribly deformed people should have been destroyed before birth. They do have a right to life but I think that they have a right to dignity which is more important.
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Any person with a mental retardation, has something wrong with a chromosome, usually they r missing one, and therefore cannot reproduce


Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Not really.
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#21
Thay can do what they want
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#22
Personally, no. I don't think they should be allowed to. Firstly they don't have the means to raise a child and secondly the child will most probably be severely retarded too, putting an even greater burden on society.
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Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Not really.


correct me please, i thought i was right =(
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#24
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nobody is stopping them from producing, but do u ever hear of a handicapped (severely in the mind) couple having children?
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#26
This is an extremely touchy subject.

Personally I feel that it would horribly unfair for the children (even if they somehow do not share the same mental handicap), because the only way to care for these children would be either adopted parents or care workers that would aid the family. I feel that parents should be responsible for their kids, and I don't think that the very severely mentally handicapped have the capacity to do so.
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#27
They already do.
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To be honest, if they honestly are so impaired that they can't raise a child, no. I know it's harsh, but it's just going to create one more family of people who can't do this, or can't do that, and they'll cash in on it and get all kinds of money from the government, which is from tax dollars.

That tax money has a lot more important places to go than a poorly raised child's half usefull education, and later wellfare. Also, the parents will continue to make bad calls that could potentially harm the child, sometimes in ways the parents don't know how to fix.

This will lead to what could end up as another mental disorder passed down, or a mindset passed down , or another physical genetic disease passed on. This will further degrade that family to a lower standard, and they'll stop working and start collecting unemployment, and have kids younger, drop out of school from aggrivation, apathy, or other mental problems. Now, there are MORE children who will repeat their parents, because it worked for their family, so why not them?

Because, after 100 or so years, their residence will degrade, too. Their former classmates might have had a disruption in their education, their collegues will have impairment, and society will go down that much more.


This, of course, is if EVERYTHING goes like I thought it would.
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#29
They contribute nothing to society, and why do we need any more children polluting the world?
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They already do.


...and?
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#32
true that allowing retarded people to reproduce is potentially highly problematic.

but think about this another way: if we ban retarded people from reproducing, it will pave the way for a whole series of reproduction bans on several other races/types/religions/tribes/cultures.

we must understand that we cannot take such a risk. we must not allow for the mentality of a "superior race" to influence our decisions.
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#33
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correct me please, i thought i was right =(


There are certain defects that also have the effect of sterilization, but your everyday severe retardation has little to nothing to do with the southern plumbing.
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There are certain defects that also have the effect of sterilization, but your everyday severe retardation has little to nothing to do with the southern plumbing.


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We Shouldnt Discriminate? OF COURSE WE SHOULD! They're retards, their not like normal people, they're dangerous!

Heres your handgun, Mr. Retard.
Oh, heres your drivers Liscence, Mr. Retard.

theres a reason we dont do these things. Theyre RETARDED.

No, they shouldnt reproduce either, they cant care for the child.
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There are certain defects that also have the effect of sterilization, but your everyday severe retardation has little to nothing to do with the southern plumbing.


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Sure they should be allowed wouldnt really matter seeing as in 99% of the cases they cant.
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We Shouldnt Discriminate? OF COURSE WE SHOULD! They're retards, their not like normal people, they're dangerous!

Heres your handgun, Mr. Retard.
Oh, heres your drivers Liscence, Mr. Retard.

theres a reason we dont do these things. Theyre RETARDED.

No, they shouldnt reproduce either, they cant care for the child.



1) we ban retarded people from reproducing

2) several years later, under a brilliant disguise, some ****head like bush places a ban on a certain tribe/religion.

3)after several years more, bans start to involve more and more groups of people

4) by 2100, it becomes entirely "moral" and "correct" to prevent a certain group from reproducing.

5) by 2200, it becomes a weapon in which a powerful individual can wipe out an entire kind simply by influencing leadership decisions.
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#40
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And the rest of society will just go with it, right?


either way not everyone will go with it, someone is always unhappy no matter what
so why not flip a coin


but really there just be different laws for different circumstances, like say a married couple had a disease that made them feel constant pain, do they had the right to make a child that will suffer for the rest of there life. i personally dont think so. although id feel very bad for that couple